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Will you forgive Barilla Pasta?

Writer Robert Spencer

A number of years ago. the president of Barilla said publicly that he prefers traditional families and refused to feature gay families in his advertising. The backlash was swift, with many calls for boycotts.

The president apologized twice and now, years later, Barilla scores among the highest in the Human Right Campaign's list of companies that are gay friendly.

While I commend Barilla for making the change, I'm always wary whenever companies change because of backlash. Does anyone really believed Guido Barilla (the President) has changed his mind about what he thinks about gay families? Has Barilla actually used gay families in its advertising?

His comment hurt me so deeply that I have never bought Barilla since then. I don't care if there's a mass boycott or not, but I don't need to spend my money on making known homophobes wealthier.

by Anonymousreply 109September 24, 2020 9:25 AM

Didn't Dolce & Gabbana feel that surrogates for gay couples were wrong?

by Anonymousreply 1September 22, 2020 7:54 PM

[quote]His comment hurt me so deeply that I have never bought Barilla since then.

"Hey, gurl...why is you hurtin'?"

"Oh, the Barilla guy was dissin' on the gays."

by Anonymousreply 3September 22, 2020 7:55 PM

R1, I don't buy Dolce either

by Anonymousreply 4September 22, 2020 7:56 PM

[quote] Didn't Dolce & Gabbana feel that surrogates for gay couples were wrong?

The irony, of course, is they are gay themselves

by Anonymousreply 5September 22, 2020 7:56 PM

I can understand, I can still never forgive Nestles for what they did to new mothers in developing countries with baby formula and if there was a direct way to avoid anything related to Monsanto for their hybridized seed schemes I would. Deplorable companies.

by Anonymousreply 6September 22, 2020 7:57 PM

I've never been stupid enough to think I had to buy a pasta brand.

by Anonymousreply 7September 22, 2020 7:58 PM

Fuck Barilla. DeCecco is 10 times better anyway.

by Anonymousreply 8September 22, 2020 8:00 PM

I don't have a problem with them, at all, now or then. Everyone is entitled to their personal opinions, and his company felt the consequences of his opinions, and changed. He apologized, and supports human rights causes, and that's enough for me. I doubt that his personal opinion has changed, but the fact that his company has, and is supportive should be enough. You sound like a trumpette, trying to make everyone think exactly the same way you do. My cupboard is full of their products, and I make no apologies.

by Anonymousreply 9September 22, 2020 8:01 PM

You fat whores should be laying off the carbs anyway.

by Anonymousreply 10September 22, 2020 8:03 PM

[quote]His comment hurt me so deeply that I have never bought Barilla since then.

MARY!

by Anonymousreply 11September 22, 2020 8:04 PM

I haven't purchased their products since their homophobic statements in 2013 or whenever it was.

by Anonymousreply 12September 22, 2020 8:05 PM

Gluten free, don’t care

by Anonymousreply 13September 22, 2020 8:05 PM

It's very salty...the statement, not the sauce.

by Anonymousreply 14September 22, 2020 8:08 PM

Barilla seems to get tons of shelf space at my local store. I've only bought the lasagna noodles a couple of times because the other brands had sold out.

There are too many other good dried pastas out there to choose Barilla.

FYI, I buy the Whole Foods 365 organic store brand. Inexpensive and good.

by Anonymousreply 15September 22, 2020 8:12 PM

I prefer and use DeCecco. I only used Barilla occasionally but stopped back when he made the comments.

Speaking of Nestle, it's infuriating how Clooney hasn't received any backlash for his shilling of Nespresso and their use of child labor to pick the coffee beans. Mr. Smarmy said he was going to look into it but nothing ever came of it.

by Anonymousreply 16September 22, 2020 8:17 PM

This is an Italian company owned and run by Italian Catholics. What did you expect them to say?

Not everybody is in our corner and many never really will be.

They appear to have evolved. There's hope for everyone.

by Anonymousreply 17September 22, 2020 8:21 PM

I used Barilla once and didn't like it, well before the anti-gay announcement.

The schmancy division of my local chain has a "good" brand of its own, and that's what I usually buy, that or DeCecco, either angel hair or cavatappi most of the time. I've given up on Whole Foods. The professional shoppers make it too annoying, and delivery is not always the best experience. And 365 doesn't make cavatappi.

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by Anonymousreply 18September 22, 2020 8:27 PM

BARILLA will always be associated with COVID-19, VIRUSES, SICKNESS, DEATH, OUTBREAKS and DISEASE

Enjoy your spaghetti!

by Anonymousreply 19September 22, 2020 8:27 PM

Enjoy your Covid sauce and death noodles!!

by Anonymousreply 20September 22, 2020 8:27 PM

DeCecco is the real thing. Who needs Barilla, even though the dominate the pasta shelves

by Anonymousreply 22September 22, 2020 8:29 PM

No, especially since you know they support fascist politicians.

by Anonymousreply 23September 22, 2020 8:30 PM

Nah, I don't fuck with them.

by Anonymousreply 24September 22, 2020 8:37 PM

Rao's pasta isn't anything special. I bought it when the kind I like wasn't available (as far as pasta politics go, I prioritize shapes before brands and my shape is rainbow radiatore) and the only shapes in stock were elbow macaroni and spaghetti. So I got a corkscrew thing by Rao's for twice as much and found it lacking. Just trying to save you buck.

by Anonymousreply 25September 22, 2020 8:37 PM

[quote]This is an Italian company owned and run by Italian Catholics. What did you expect them to say?

What does that have to do with anything?

Benetton is also an Italian company owned and run by Italian Catholics. And it was the first in the world promoting diversity, racial and sexual.

by Anonymousreply 27September 22, 2020 8:50 PM

Not only do I refuse to buy Barilla, I drain my pasta in protest.

by Anonymousreply 28September 22, 2020 8:53 PM

Part of a corporation's payment for a boycott is that a segment of their customers have long memories and/or faulty memories. They have to pay in some respect long after they've made things right (assuming they do.) People remember "wasn't there so e kind of boycott be side the company was somehow anti-gay?"

I have no problem if, after a company makes a reasonable apology and change of policy, a consumer goes back to a brand. Likewise if they cross a brand off their list regardless 9f how a company reacts. It's the risk a company takes when they make personal opinion corporate policy and publicity.

by Anonymousreply 29September 22, 2020 9:07 PM

But Chick Fil A and Hobbylobby should never be forgiven right?

by Anonymousreply 30September 22, 2020 9:09 PM

Isn't Barilla the pasta brand with Mafia connections? I remember reading that somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 31September 22, 2020 9:10 PM

nope, unforgivable, plus it's shitty pasta

dececco much better

by Anonymousreply 32September 22, 2020 9:11 PM

[quote] But Chick Fil A and Hobbylobby should never be forgiven right?

When did they ever apologize and work hard to be a gay-friendly environment?

by Anonymousreply 33September 22, 2020 9:12 PM

Ive never tried dececco--thanks for the recommendation DL

by Anonymousreply 34September 22, 2020 9:12 PM

I will never forgive them for all those carbs.

by Anonymousreply 35September 22, 2020 9:22 PM

They ´re are targeting eldergays with Signora Ponti.

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by Anonymousreply 36September 22, 2020 9:45 PM

Traditional Catholics see homosexuality as sin and is punished by damnation.

You might have heard something about that dumb ass.

by Anonymousreply 37September 23, 2020 2:03 AM

R37 There are few Catholics in Italy who follow the Church´s teachings on such matters.

by Anonymousreply 38September 23, 2020 2:08 AM

[quote]The president apologized twice and now, years later, Barilla scores among the highest in the Human Right Campaign's list of companies that are gay friendly.

Gay people who refuse to accept that Barilla acted swiftly to turn the company's homophobia into gay inclusivity are acting like spoiled brats who just want to wreak havoc. What else would you want if Barilla's actions are not enough? Go attack real homophobes and not those who've worked seriously to get rid of homophobia. I mean why is this even debatable?

Why am I sensing that today there are tons of posts trying to make us fight among each other? Someone's meds are seriously off or we have homophobic trolls having a little fun.

by Anonymousreply 39September 23, 2020 2:19 AM

I thought the point of any boycott was to try to induce change. Barilla officially changed its stance, so I'm no longer boycotting them. Hobby Lobby helped force a Supreme Court decision regarding the ACA and its birth control provisions, so they remain dead to me.

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by Anonymousreply 40September 23, 2020 2:19 AM

R38 very true. Most Italian families have gays even if its just fey Zio Giorgio..

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by Anonymousreply 41September 23, 2020 2:22 AM

I never really bought Barilla and never will. Goya, on the other hand, I did used to buy but once they publicly embraced you-know-who, they were immediately dead to me. 💀

by Anonymousreply 42September 23, 2020 2:28 AM

Apologies by corporate entities have to be demonstrated over a loooong period of time before I trust them again.

by Anonymousreply 43September 23, 2020 2:40 AM

[quote] [R37] There are few Catholics in Italy who follow the Church´s teachings on such matters.

Just because someone doesn't personally follow the church's teachings doesn't mean that they don't donate to oppressive forces that purport to follow the church. (That's called a hypocrite.)

That said, if Barilla did change the way it operates, then, I think people should give them a chance. Personally, I have other pastas that I like just as much or better.

by Anonymousreply 44September 23, 2020 2:53 AM

What exactly does Barilla translate into English anyways?

by Anonymousreply 45September 23, 2020 2:55 AM

No he hasn't changed his mind but he likes money.

by Anonymousreply 46September 23, 2020 2:56 AM

R45 Anyways? Nobody's going to fuck you if you say anyways.

by Anonymousreply 47September 23, 2020 2:59 AM

R47 Contrary to popular belief I don’t come to pasta boycott threads to get fucked, anyways, what dies it translate as into English?

by Anonymousreply 48September 23, 2020 3:13 AM

No, I do not. First of all, the CEO did not say he preferred traditional families in his commercials, he said gay people can buy someone else's pasta. He wasn't overheard saying this, the context was he answered a question and took a position for his company. Had he said black, jews, women, asians, etc. could buy someone else's pasta, he would have been fired, because that is the only way the company could have separated itself from that egregious bigotry. but the gays are the last bastion of hate, it's perfectly fine to say horrible things about us, just pat us on the head, say you're sorry and give a few bucks to an aids charity or something.....pitiful. I've written to Barilla in complaint, I donated all I had in the house to an LGBT homeless shelter and will never buy it again. They can go fuck themselves.

by Anonymousreply 49September 23, 2020 3:15 AM

I would've stopped, but DeCecco is so much better anyway. It's hard to say why, you wouldn't think it could be so much better, but it IS.

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by Anonymousreply 50September 23, 2020 3:20 AM

Are they a semolina based pasta? Aren’t the best ones usually?

by Anonymousreply 53September 23, 2020 3:30 AM

I still avoid buying Barilla products. Throwing money at charities is barely a start.

by Anonymousreply 55September 23, 2020 3:38 AM

I wasn't aware of this particular hullabaloo but I am not a customer, anyway. I doubt now that I will buy it because when I see the package I'll think of intolerance and hate.

by Anonymousreply 56September 23, 2020 3:44 AM

I will not buy their products to this day. Same as I've never had a Chick-FIl-A meal either. I'm fundamentally opposed to fundamentalist Christian/Catholics.

by Anonymousreply 57September 23, 2020 3:57 AM

If that No Name guy ever said anything negative about gays amidst his sea of yellow labels, I don't know that I could forgive him.

by Anonymousreply 58September 23, 2020 4:01 AM

DeCecco is a superior product. I really like it.

by Anonymousreply 59September 23, 2020 4:23 AM

What I don't understand about DeCecco is this: most high distribution Italian pastas use American wheat. The wheat is processed in Italy. The resultant flour is not enriched with chemical vitamins, a practice which is outlawed in Italy. Yet if you read the box of American bought DeCecco pasta, the flour is indeed enriched. I'm wondering if DeCecco produces in the US for the American market. I find DeCecco pasta different in Italy. The color is more yellow and it tastes of wheat. American DeCecco tastes bland to me. My supermarket sells Garafolo and DelVerde brand pasta, made in Italy, and there is no mention of enriched flour....so that is what I buy. And I find they taste better.

by Anonymousreply 60September 23, 2020 4:39 AM

Why waste time boycotting? I simply add them to a list of companies I won’t do business with [bold]FOR REASONS KNOWN TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM[/bold].

I’m petty. It’s fun.

by Anonymousreply 61September 23, 2020 4:48 AM

I will never forgive them, nor will I forget. I even stay away from store brands and private labels that I suspect may be Barilla manufactured.

by Anonymousreply 62September 23, 2020 4:48 AM

I haven't purchased Barilla Pasta or Sauce since the comments. I have no plans to change that. I used to buy that stuff all the time. I now have found stuff I like better (both pastas and sauces). It's slightly difficult because my local grocery store stocks more Barilla than anything else, but I'm fine. It's cool. They don't need my money.

by Anonymousreply 63September 23, 2020 6:20 AM

Boycotts don't really hurt business, they just raise awareness. Also I feel better knowing that I don't support them, and advise my family and friends no to either. On occasion in business, I also get to shift big accounts away from these purveyors of hate. Barilla pasta is on the list, along with several actors/singers, and also Macy's department store. I moved to Boston in 1987 for graduate school. I lived there till 2005, and early in my life there Macy's had a controversial window. I remember seeing it and thinking it was really neat - but not having any opinion about what "moral message" it might be sending. Apparently, two of the male mannequins were standing too close for some people and they felt is was depicting a gay parented family. The store released a statement that the scene was neutral and was in fact just a bunch of friends with children at the beach. Caving to pressure, they took it down. I never, ever set foot in a Macy's again and never will.

by Anonymousreply 64September 23, 2020 3:54 PM

Boycotts are a stain that doesn't wash out easily or with just a few washings.

For that reason, smart companies take precautions to avoid them: to not agitate, to remain engaged with consumers and the public, and to try to smooth out disagreements in perspective. Better to make a public relations problem a short term issue and resolve it that to engage in a long-simmering feud. Once they take hold it's almost never a case of "okay, problem solved, everyone resume your previous behaviour as a consumer."

by Anonymousreply 65September 23, 2020 5:12 PM

[quote] Boycotts don't really hurt business, they just raise awareness.

If "boycott" means "not buying," then boycotts do hurt a business.

by Anonymousreply 66September 23, 2020 7:23 PM

[quote]If "boycott" means "not buying," then boycotts do hurt a business.

They have not hurt Barilla at all.

Barilla is the world's biggest producer of pasta. It generates billions in revenue. It owns a bunch of other food companies. It's sales have only risen year after year.

by Anonymousreply 67September 23, 2020 7:31 PM

But it probably would have risen more without the controversy, R67.

Yes, there's some give and take... for every person boycotting, there might be another who tries it or buys it just BECAUSE they don't support the boycott. You see that with Chick-Fil-A after all.

But it really is an opportunity cost... you're costing yourself an audience that you might never get back.

by Anonymousreply 69September 23, 2020 7:53 PM

R69 Guido Barilla immediately issued an apology. He is not even head of the company anymore.

And only one year after the controversy, the company received a top rating from the Human Rights Campaign's list of employers who are LGBT-friendly.

But all of that is lost on most you. So continue your ridiculous boycott.

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by Anonymousreply 70September 23, 2020 8:27 PM

I don’t think they’ve changed their view. They’ve only changed their public persona. So, no.

by Anonymousreply 71September 23, 2020 8:31 PM

If the delivery on their promise to change is quantifiable, I'll forgive. A mere "I'm sorry" (as with Kevin Hart) will not do it for me.

by Anonymousreply 72September 23, 2020 8:31 PM

[quote] They have not hurt Barilla at all. Barilla is the world's biggest producer of pasta. It generates billions in revenue. It owns a bunch of other food companies. It's sales have only risen year after year.

The boycott was the obvious reason Barilla suddenly bent over backwards to seem gay friendly--it costs Barilla nothing and creates good will.

Chik-fil-a has not done that and has, in fact, doubled down on its homophobia. My money and none of my family's money will EVER go to that shitty company

by Anonymousreply 73September 23, 2020 8:32 PM

R71 Tell us what it is you don't understand about the article at R70.

by Anonymousreply 74September 23, 2020 8:35 PM

I'm trying to remember why I think Barilla is the best. If I'm not not mistaken, it was over 20 years ago when I was working in NYC. I'd listen to Dr. Joy Browne and Joan Hamburg daily at work (WOR, that's 710 on your AM dial) and I think Barilla was a sponsor. Daily, I kept hearing how it always comes out perfect so I started only buying Barilla.

by Anonymousreply 75September 23, 2020 8:43 PM

I dont need Barilla. I've found so many other choices. Granted, I don't know how those companies feel about gays--but theyre smart enough not to talk about it.

by Anonymousreply 76September 23, 2020 8:43 PM

[quote]The boycott was the obvious reason Barilla suddenly bent over backwards to seem gay friendly

The company does not merely "seem" gay friendly. All indications are that it is gay friendly.

by Anonymousreply 77September 23, 2020 8:44 PM

My grandpa taught me how to make pasta, and I inherited his old pasta making machine that is actually older than I am. Also taught me how to make homemade sauce from fresh tomatoes. That's allI need.

Barilla who?

by Anonymousreply 78September 23, 2020 8:50 PM

R78 You can't make rigatoni, fusilli, conchiglie, farfalle, pene, gomiti, bucatini, cavatappi, ditalini, gemelli, rotelle...not even classic spaghetti with a pasta machine.

by Anonymousreply 79September 23, 2020 9:02 PM

I don’t give a shit what Guido Barrila thinks.

by Anonymousreply 80September 23, 2020 9:04 PM

I use two brands produced in Italy, Campagna and Luiggi Vitelli. Barilla is made in the US. The Italian produced pasta actually tastes much better.

Buitoni was a great pasta, made in Italy. Guess they went out of business, I don't see the brand anymore. Unfortunately, all Costco sells is Barilla, I have to buy my past at the local supermarkets.

by Anonymousreply 81September 23, 2020 9:12 PM

R81 I wish I could buy my past at the supermarket, I’d pay anything for my 32 inch waist.

by Anonymousreply 82September 23, 2020 9:16 PM

Duh, r79 ..... you make the sheets of pasta, then you cut and hand form the pasta into various shapes like a real artisan. I hand cut my personal favorites, linguini and fettuccine, all the time. You can make virtually any type with the right tools. You can twist and roll, even make elbows, tube style pastas, and rotini if you've been properly taught.

And, I do.

Tuo Tavola a la mangiàre !

by Anonymousreply 83September 23, 2020 9:48 PM

R83 You do not know what you are talking about.

Dried pasta is made with hard wheat and water. Dough made with those ingredients is not pliable enough to run through a pasta machine.

The dough for the shapes I listed is extruded to make those shapes. NOT run through rollers.

Home pasta machines are used for egg dough. Dough made of soft wheat and eggs. Dough that is moist and pliable. This soft egg dough is used for making fettuccine, pappardelle, tagliatelle, sheets for lasagne etc.

Classic Italian spaghetti contains NO eggs. Nor do any of the shapes I listed. Penne etc are extruded shapes. Extruded seamless tubes

The hard wheat and water dough pasta is prized for its texture and pure wheat taste. It is the type of pasta Italians eat most.

BTW your Italian is incorrect.

by Anonymousreply 84September 23, 2020 10:31 PM

It's penne R79: pene means dick and although we crave it even more than pasta I hope you don't want literally eat one when it will find its way into your mouth.

by Anonymousreply 85September 23, 2020 10:42 PM

Will you DRAIN your Barilla pasta?

by Anonymousreply 86September 23, 2020 10:52 PM

A "Mulino Bianco" family (from Barilla old ads) is still an expression to indicate traditional perfect families in Italy

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by Anonymousreply 87September 23, 2020 11:02 PM

Evil mother could only fake concerns that the kid didn't get home yet

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by Anonymousreply 88September 23, 2020 11:08 PM

[quote] His comment hurt me so deeply that I have never bought Barilla since then

You eat carbs?

by Anonymousreply 89September 23, 2020 11:11 PM

When Barilla family adopted the kid from Cambodia. The weather is always shitty

R81 Buitoni is still around in Italy

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by Anonymousreply 90September 23, 2020 11:19 PM

R85 Typo. See my post at R84.

by Anonymousreply 91September 23, 2020 11:21 PM

R87 Uh...you're a little behind the times.

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by Anonymousreply 92September 23, 2020 11:28 PM

Yes I see you are right, i'm not R83. BTW R86 this is the colander I use and found it better than any other, sadly ikea is withdrawing it in Italy.

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by Anonymousreply 93September 23, 2020 11:29 PM

I haven't purchased their products since their statement in 1986 or whenever it was.

by Anonymousreply 94September 23, 2020 11:31 PM

They were an easy boycott to stick to. There are so many other options. I hate that a delivery service I use only has that crap so I just don’t order pasta from them.

by Anonymousreply 95September 23, 2020 11:32 PM

R92 Sin! The sky is blue, the kid is happy, the family is wonderful!

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by Anonymousreply 96September 23, 2020 11:36 PM

I am happy Barilla worked hard to reach out to gays after that unfortunate statement.

That said, I took the time since the Barilla CEO’s original statement to check out other brands. I’ve found there’s no need to go back to Barilla

by Anonymousreply 97September 23, 2020 11:36 PM

Hey Lucifer, R57, are STILL fundamentally opposed to Christianity?

You've been holding your grudge for twenty centuries now?

by Anonymousreply 98September 23, 2020 11:36 PM

R96 That's a gorgeous ad. Bravo Barilla.

by Anonymousreply 99September 23, 2020 11:40 PM

I'm Irish and we hold our grudges for five centuries. We cherish our grudges and nurse them with alcohol..

by Anonymousreply 100September 23, 2020 11:41 PM

Nope. And the HRC is a corrupt organization that will change its views and support anyone that donates to them.

HRC's stamp of approval means nothing to me anymore.

by Anonymousreply 101September 23, 2020 11:43 PM

[quote]And the HRC is a corrupt organization that will change its views and support anyone that donates to them.

How do you know this? Could you please post some proof. Thanks in advance.

by Anonymousreply 102September 23, 2020 11:48 PM

[quote]Tuo Tavola a la mangiàre !

r83 Did you mean "Tutti a tavola a mangiare," Lidia?

by Anonymousreply 103September 23, 2020 11:50 PM

R102 - two political endorsements that were suspicious were their support of Republican Senators Al D'Amato in NY (over Chuck Schumer) and Mark Kirk in IL over their Democratic opponents.

Kirk's opponent was Tammy Duckworth - a strong supporter of gay rights and is a disabled, minority, veteran female. She scored 100 on the HRC's own political score.

They claim they've always been a bipartisan organization - but it was really just to keep the gay Republican donations coming in.

Here's a link to HRC's program ChefsforEquality - WHO IS THE BIGGEST DONOR? Barilla!!

Barilla is also one of their larger corporate sponsors of HRC - not the largest, but on par with Amazon, Macys and Goldman Sachs. You think the HRC is going to put out anything negative about a donor?

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by Anonymousreply 104September 24, 2020 12:31 AM

R81, Buitoni is the brand of filled pastas I buy, so it's available in Krogers in the Mid-South. I used to buy Ronco pasta shells and spaghetti, but apparently they went bankrupt a couple years ago, so I guess I'll see if those products are available from Buitoni near me.

I applaud what Colzani has done to turn the company around on diversity and inclusion issues. But since the profit ultimately goes into Barilla's pockets, I'll let Jesus take the lead in forgiving him. His heirs will get a clean slate from me after he kicks the bucket.

by Anonymousreply 105September 24, 2020 1:37 AM

HRC should reinitialize itself TRC.

by Anonymousreply 106September 24, 2020 1:40 AM

R104, according to the website link, it just seems that Barilla is a chief sponsor for this one initiative, not all of HRC

by Anonymousreply 107September 24, 2020 2:35 AM

I see the Pasta Queens are out in full force today!

by Anonymousreply 108September 24, 2020 2:53 AM

[quote]And only one year after the controversy, the company received a top rating from the Human Rights Campaign's list of employers who are LGBT-friendly.

[quote]But all of that is lost on most you. So continue your ridiculous boycott.

And evidently it's lost on R70 that the Human RIghts Campaign is the biggest bunch of useless fuckups and money wasting charity dinner table sellers imaginable. And their Corporate Equality Index is a very fluid measure.

Barilla is a "bronze level" (lowest level) contributor to the Corporate Partners program of HRC and has been since guess when.

For the bargain price of a sponsored table at an annual dinner or equivalent event and checking off some boxes that your company abides by certain protections required by law in certain places, you too can be be a bronze level corporate member/sponsor.

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by Anonymousreply 109September 24, 2020 9:25 AM