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Who killed Jon Benet Ramsey?

Writer Robert Spencer

It had to be a local pedophile.

by Anonymousreply 110July 10, 2019 6:57 PM

Who knows? Best thing for her really. Her therapy was going nowhere.

by Anonymousreply 2May 11, 2019 2:43 AM

Hillary. Many people talked about it.

by Anonymousreply 3May 11, 2019 2:44 AM

Someone inside the house. Mother, father, and brother ALL know what really happened that night.

by Anonymousreply 4May 11, 2019 2:46 AM

Don't the friends that were there when John found JonBenet think they did it? I remember something about them saying they felt they were used by the Ramsey's (by having them come over that morning).

by Anonymousreply 5May 11, 2019 2:57 AM

Inside job, all the way.

"It had to be a local pedophile." And your theory is based on, what? Someone breaks into a house, writes a ransom note, kills a child, then, hides the body in a obscure room in the basement, and no one sees or hears a thing.

Hog-wash!

by Anonymousreply 6May 11, 2019 2:59 AM

[quote] and no one sees or hears a thing.

Except someone did hear something. A neighbor reported hearing screams in the middle of the night.

by Anonymousreply 7May 11, 2019 3:00 AM

I'm referring to the Ramseys, R7.

by Anonymousreply 8May 11, 2019 3:04 AM

R6 They don’t fit the mold of child killers, but I know child abuses crosses all levels of wealth and poverty. What is more interesting then is what was the motive.

by Anonymousreply 9May 11, 2019 3:07 AM

When I saw JonBenet her on the news in the 90s I thought for a moment she was 19 or 20 years old.

by Anonymousreply 10May 11, 2019 3:09 AM

The mother was bipolar and suicidal. She intended to murder the entire family, but the husband protected her.

by Anonymousreply 11May 11, 2019 3:12 AM

This podcast had a good point about how the media would only publish the photos of JB that made her look 20 and like a baby prostitute, instead of the normal photos of her.

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by Anonymousreply 12May 11, 2019 3:12 AM

The oddest murder of all time.

by Anonymousreply 13May 11, 2019 3:14 AM

[quote]What is more interesting then is what was the motive.

Hoo boy. Where to start?

by Anonymousreply 14May 11, 2019 3:16 AM

One of the family members definitely....my pick is the father/mother.

by Anonymousreply 15May 11, 2019 3:16 AM

I accuse Patrick Lumumba!

by Anonymousreply 16May 11, 2019 3:17 AM

[quote]media would only publish the photos of JB that made her look 20 and like a baby prostitute

She did a hell of a lot more than just look like one!

But there’s no use in trying to talk sense to you people. There aren’t many people in this world who can really appreciate my situation. Except for Kate McCann. And maybe Joan Crawford, although she really should’ve waited until that woman from Redbook left the house.

I did love her in Harriet Craig, though.

by Anonymousreply 17May 11, 2019 3:24 AM

Communism was just a red herring.

by Anonymousreply 18May 11, 2019 3:26 AM

It's the father because the strenght of the blow that hit her head couldn't have been from the brother. He just managed to deflect attention from himself and all the deflection is the only reason this murder seemed complicated when it really isn't.

R5 Yes I've heard an interview with one of the people that were with him when he found her and they did think he did it.

by Anonymousreply 19May 11, 2019 3:28 AM

I havent got a clue but my opinion is it wasnt the family. Rich people behave differently and the first thing you do is lawyer uo and they set up a road block with the police not because they were guilty but because that was the advise of counsel. It was very bad PR however.

Really why would a parent kill a child like this? She hadnt been physically abused before by them from all appearances.

by Anonymousreply 20May 11, 2019 4:53 AM

If the parents weren't involved, why'd they lie on the 911 call?

by Anonymousreply 21May 11, 2019 4:55 AM

Just don't try to take this from Burke, EVER!

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by Anonymousreply 22May 11, 2019 4:56 AM

R20 She wasn't physically abused but there is ample evidence of sexual abuse on the day and prior.

by Anonymousreply 23May 11, 2019 4:57 AM

Is it true that Burke refused to say the word, "pineapple," when questioned about it?

by Anonymousreply 24May 11, 2019 5:00 AM

Sylvia Browne had predicted this murder will never be solved.

This time, I believe her.

by Anonymousreply 25May 11, 2019 5:04 AM

wasn’t there two types of DNA in her underwear? Can’t they keep checking for a DNA match?

by Anonymousreply 26May 11, 2019 10:50 AM

Pedophiles don’t leave a ransom note. Mr. Ramsey must’ve been abusing the entire family. He seems so nice.

by Anonymousreply 27May 11, 2019 10:52 AM

It was the brother. If he swung a blunt instrument at her head like the proposed torch, he could have killed her and I believe that the parents came together and tried to cover it up as they had already lost one child. Burke had already been violent towards his sister and his behaviour afterwards was incredibly suspect. The parent's relationship was rocky and I don't think they would have been able sustain covering for each other if it was one of the parents who did it.

by Anonymousreply 28May 11, 2019 11:06 AM

I thought the father killer her, but he convinced the mother that Burke did it.

by Anonymousreply 29May 11, 2019 11:46 AM

Burke did it, Patsy covered it up then got John in on it. Burke was nuts.

by Anonymousreply 30May 11, 2019 12:05 PM

The father did it. The blow to her head couldn't have been done by Burke. Also they found someone had tried to clean up her vagina, which showed signs of injuries from what the coroner thought was penetration.

Burke was interviewed several times by psychologists. Of he had done it they would have found out.

by Anonymousreply 31May 11, 2019 12:11 PM

OP It was no pedophile. Pedophiles love children - they just want to fuck them not kill them. Michael Jackson being a prime example.

by Anonymousreply 32May 11, 2019 12:18 PM

The little strumpet killed herself when she was first runner up twice in a row. Twice!

by Anonymousreply 33May 11, 2019 12:18 PM

Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey? 8 Possible Suspects

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by Anonymousreply 34May 11, 2019 12:26 PM

Patsy said she discovered a two-and-a-half page ransom note on one of the rungs down the spiral staircase that led to the basement where JonBenét’s body was found. Written in strange verbiage that seemed lifted from classic crime films, the note demanded $118,000 be given to the "foreign faction" by 10 a.m. the next day, which was later figured out to be the same amount of John Ramsey’s Christmas bonus from his company Access Graphics. Some sources, including Boulder PD’s former co-leading investigator Steve Thomas have speculated that Patsy wrote the note herself in a moment of panic after realizing what she'd done to JonBenét. But the handwriting analyses – though convincing – were eventually found to be inconclusive. It was determined, however, that the note had been written on a piece Patsy's stationary from inside the home with her own pen.

by Anonymousreply 35May 11, 2019 12:28 PM

John and Patsy Ramsey interviewed on CNN, publicizing their book Death of Innocence. Part one of two (the other part broadcast on March 28th), section one of eight.

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by Anonymousreply 36May 11, 2019 12:29 PM

a botched fucked up police investigation. we will never know besides theories and speculation.

by Anonymousreply 37May 11, 2019 12:30 PM

I don't understand why people care so much about this case. There are plenty of unsolved murders that are more recent.

by Anonymousreply 38May 11, 2019 12:31 PM

[quote]Pedophiles don’t leave a ransom note

Kidnappers and killers don't leave a 2 1/2 page ransom note.

by Anonymousreply 39May 11, 2019 1:43 PM

It's odd that some would think that a 10 year old couldn't have hit her on the head with that kind of force. A ten year old could easily do that, especially with the assistance of a heavy flashlight, which was on the counter and matched the trauma to her head.

And the blow to the head isn't what killed her.

by Anonymousreply 41May 11, 2019 2:00 PM

They were wealthy r38, she was a pageant star, the absurd "ransom note"!

There were lots of great details to make this case memorable.

by Anonymousreply 42May 11, 2019 2:39 PM

Can't one of your contact Boulder PD and tell them to try that new DNA matching method like they used for Golden State Killer and a few other cold cases since????

by Anonymousreply 43May 11, 2019 2:41 PM

Brother. CSI even did an episode.

by Anonymousreply 44May 11, 2019 2:42 PM

well, if CSI did an episode then that must be true!

by Anonymousreply 45May 11, 2019 2:50 PM

I think that ransom note is proof Patsy either killed her daughter or was an accessory by writing that note to cover for whoever inflicted the fatal blow. If it wasn't the father or son, did they have a pedophile friend over that night JBR was pimped out to?

by Anonymousreply 46May 11, 2019 2:58 PM

Pedophiles don’t leave a ransom note

Kidnappers and killers don't leave a 2 1/2 page ransom note.

—Anonymous

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A killer Drama Queen might get carried away.

by Anonymousreply 47May 11, 2019 3:01 PM

[quote]If he swung a blunt

Swung, no. Smoked, yes.

by Anonymousreply 48May 11, 2019 3:10 PM

[quote]Who knows? Best thing for her really. Her therapy was going nowhere.

Her therapy?

Her pageant career was going nowhere.

by Anonymousreply 51May 11, 2019 5:27 PM

A few years ago I had major surgery and couldn’t work for six months. I fell into a rabbit hole and read literally every book, blog, article, report, etc. I can say definitively that it was John. There are about 10,000 clues that point to him.

Having said that, the man is an evil genius, no? While Patsy was still alive he got the world to blame her, no he has them blaming Burke. The only person more evil than John is his lawyer — they litigate the shit out of anyone who comes for them. I still can’t believe he got away with it, it is stunning. All the stars lined up.

by Anonymousreply 52May 11, 2019 6:30 PM

I can understand the theory that Burke accidentally hit Jon Benet too hard and then the parents covered it up, however, what doesn't make sense about that theory is 1) Burke was a minor. Nothing would have happened to him 2) what kind of parent could "finish" the job of murdering their kid (to save another one) especially in this circumstance where they could have taken her to the hospital (since she wasn't actually killed by the blow which is what required them to finish it in the first place). If they would have gotten her treated, she would most likely have lived, right?

by Anonymousreply 53May 11, 2019 6:39 PM

Ding ding ding, r53 gets the prize! Yes, r53, you are correct. It’s Occam’s Razor here — FBI experts said at the time that cases like this, statistically speaking, it is 11 to 1 that the father did it. There are literally NO other cases like this where it was not the father. John used his wealth and legal army to redirect all the attention away from himself — it worked!

by Anonymousreply 54May 11, 2019 6:47 PM

R52, is it true the father took trips to Amsterdam, and no one knows what he did there (the implication is he went for nefarious purposes)?

by Anonymousreply 55May 11, 2019 7:40 PM

R55 from what I understand nobody even understands what kind of business he had that was worth millions.

by Anonymousreply 56May 11, 2019 7:41 PM

Years ago, I read a online interview with the Ramsey's former nanny/housekeeper (she was no longer working for the Ramseys at the time of the murder), she described Patsy as friendly & out-going, John as polite, he was a distant father who occasionally interacted with Burke, and rarely interacted with Jon Benet. When the nanny started her job, Jon Benet was a toddler & Burke was Patsy's focus & "project". However, when Jon Benet showed promise as a singer, dancer, etc, Burke was put on the back shelf. After the nanny's job ended, she kept in contact with Patsy & the children, & occasionally took Burke & Jon Benet to the local McDonald's. On their last visit, Jon Benet informed the nanny "Only fat people eat at McDonald's." The nanny wondered if someone told Jon Benet to say this, & the visits ended. The nanny said the father once bought kites & flew them with the children, she said never saw the children happier than at that moment . According to the interviewer, the former nanny began to weep. One more remark, the nanny stated she never saw any signs of abuse, but, they had the typical attitude of wealthy people with children, the grunt work of child care is something you pay others to deal with.

by Anonymousreply 57May 11, 2019 9:14 PM

FINALLY, a thread on the DL about this intriguing murder mystery!

by Anonymousreply 58May 11, 2019 9:16 PM

Gosh Hannibal Lecter and Patsy on one thread!

by Anonymousreply 59May 11, 2019 9:24 PM

R55, Amsterdam is nefarious?

by Anonymousreply 60May 11, 2019 10:52 PM

She'd now have her first Saturn return.

by Anonymousreply 61May 11, 2019 11:00 PM

Remember when John was dating natalee Holloway’s mom

by Anonymousreply 62May 12, 2019 2:33 AM

Remember that AMA with one of the detectives who said it was a family member, because he didn't understand the nature of AMA's and thought it was private? You can still read it now but most of his answers have been deleted.

by Anonymousreply 63May 12, 2019 3:17 AM

I mean anyone who looks at the ransom note knows it was a family member. People want to debate who was most directly responsible, but we know what happened, the family killed her and covered it up.

by Anonymousreply 64May 12, 2019 3:19 AM

Did either of the Ramsey's ever explain why they immediately called the police when the note told them not to, otherwise the "kidnappers," would kill Jon Benet?

by Anonymousreply 65May 12, 2019 3:25 AM

Read 'Foreign Facton' by A James Kolar. Explains everything. I was led astray by the fact that the parents left the son with the neighbors when the police arrived, but I now see it was the only choice they could make. Also, I grew up in that kind of neighborhood and I don't see how a strange vehicle could be there without being noticed.

I don't see any real evidence she was being sexually abused. There are a lot of people making claims about her health that are just not true. Also, the stuff about a stranger's DNA in her underwear is bullshit too.

by Anonymousreply 66May 12, 2019 4:46 AM

She was prone to bladder infections, having been to the doctor something like 30 times for vaginal yeast and urinary tract infections. Women generally develop bladder infections because of not peeing after sexual intercourse, or even just having something unclean (even a grubby finger) inserted into their vaginas. If a little girl like poor Jon Benet was getting them, she was getting molested regularly. I am skeeved out even writing about this.

This sweet thing didn't have peace in life, and has had no peace in death.

by Anonymousreply 67May 12, 2019 6:33 AM

there is a simpler explanation

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by Anonymousreply 68May 12, 2019 3:21 PM

Murder is almost always perpetrated by family murdering family members. It has to be someone in the family. After reading this thread I believe it was the father. Only a psychopath could’ve dated Natalie Holloway’s mom, it made Mr. Ramsey look sensitive and empathetic.

by Anonymousreply 69May 12, 2019 7:32 PM

Yeast infections and other garden varieties of vagina problems don’t start happening until sexual encounters begin normally in the teen or 20 year old range.

by Anonymousreply 70May 12, 2019 7:34 PM

Siblings do abuse each other. Murder of siblings isn’t so common as a parent murdering their child.

by Anonymousreply 71May 12, 2019 7:37 PM

If the family were on drugs living in squalor boom they would’ve been arrested.

by Anonymousreply 72May 12, 2019 7:38 PM

Aside from all the other problems with the intruder theory, I think a pedophile would likely have...messed with her more. It's gross to speculate about but I always thought a creep like that would want to make it really worthwhile.

by Anonymousreply 73May 12, 2019 7:42 PM

Agreed, R72, If John had been a bus driver, and Patsy, a waitress, they would've have spent the rest of their days in prison. The Boulder police allowed the Ramseys to control the investigation. Lou Smit (one of the detectives) thought Patsy couldn't have possibly been guilty because she toted a bible around & quoted bible verses constantly. The investigation was a farce, from the word go, the Boulder police have a child's blood on their hands.

by Anonymousreply 74May 12, 2019 7:57 PM

Detective Kenda would’ve found the truth.

by Anonymousreply 75May 12, 2019 8:01 PM

[quote] It was the brother. If he swung a blunt instrument at her head like the proposed torch, he could have killed her and I believe that the parents came together and tried to cover it up as they had already lost one child. Burke had already been violent towards his sister and his behaviour afterwards was incredibly suspect. The parent's relationship was rocky and I don't think they would have been able sustain covering for each other if it was one of the parents who did it.

Yes. A family friend had witnessed Burke hitting his sister before, with a stick or other object.

Burke killed her and John and Patsy clumsily tried to cover it up, only succeeding in casting suspicion on themselves. Other parents might've turned in the son, knowing it was accidental and he wouldn't likely be punished harshly by the law if at all, but the Ramseys were vain and narcissistic and didn't want embarrassing speculation that one of their spawn was a violent little psychopath. They were all about appearances. Considering their contentious marriage, I also believe one would've flipped in the other if it was one of themselves. But Burke being their son, they held firm defending each other and keeping the heat off Burke.

by Anonymousreply 76May 13, 2019 12:54 AM

Many people don’t know about the older half-brother John. A neighbor originally said they had seen him at the house. Official alibi was he was in Atlanta at the time but that could have been cooked up.

by Anonymousreply 77May 13, 2019 1:09 AM

R76 except Burke didn't kill her, even if he was the one who hit her over the head. It was the strangulation that did it, and he would not have been able to pull that off. If the parents were involved one of them finished Jon Benet off.

So again, it's really odd that if Burke did hit her, that the parents decided to go ahead and kill her in order to "protect him," (when nothing would have happened to him as he was a minor) instead of taking her to the hospital immediately to get medical treatment, which would certainly be less horrific than strangling your child to death.

by Anonymousreply 78May 13, 2019 1:53 AM

^ Burke was almost 10 years old and most certainly would've been capable of strangling her. He apparently hated her. And if he did in fact strangle her, it makes even more sense that John and Patsy would do anything to cover it up.

by Anonymousreply 79May 13, 2019 3:57 PM

Patsy was very upset with Jon Benet that night because Jon Benet was being a brat and refused to wear matching mother-daughter outfits to the Christmas party they attended. Patsy was also super exhausted from hosting Christmas tours that month, having Christmas at the house and making breakfast that morning, getting ready for the party at a friend's that evening, and then having to go back home to pack for everyone and prepare for yet another Christmas in Michigan the next day with an early morning flight with the kids and Jon in the morning. All this, and she was a perfectionist and she was recovering from cancer. She cracked. She was the one under the most stress that day and she was the one most upset with Jon Benet. Patsy was also the one most exhausted and stretched to her limits. She was also the only in that family crazy stupid enough to write that Ransom note and to dream up a pedo killer with a fake assault and tie it to a ridiculous ransom plot.

by Anonymousreply 80May 13, 2019 5:54 PM

I have always felt that John did it . After speaking to a friend in the FBI he concurred. Very sad case .

by Anonymousreply 81May 13, 2019 7:36 PM

[quote]and his behaviour afterwards was incredibly suspect.

He was ten! He did what his parents told him to do. What was “suspect”?

[quote]Burke was almost 10 years old and most certainly would've been capable of strangling her.

After making a garrote at that age? Why would he even know that was a weapon that would make strangling someone easier?

I’m 30 years older than him and I wouldn’t know how to make one.

by Anonymousreply 82May 13, 2019 9:10 PM

[quote]Detective Kenda would’ve found the truth.

Ahem.

by Anonymousreply 83May 13, 2019 9:19 PM

A family member did it. It was a hit on the head...her brother more than likely.

by Anonymousreply 84May 13, 2019 9:21 PM

Sibling violence is real. People think the bullies are at school but it is usually siblings who fight or abuse a weaker sibling. I agree with the Burke theory.

by Anonymousreply 85May 14, 2019 12:43 AM

[quote]^ Burke was almost 10 years old and most certainly would've been capable of strangling her. He apparently hated her. And if he did in fact strangle her, it makes even more sense that John and Patsy would do anything to cover it up.

Yeah, no. At 10 he would not have been able to carry her down to the basement, lay out the scene the way he did, tie the garrote around her beck and strangle her with it.

At 10 he could have hit her on the back of the head with the Mag lite... but someone else, an adult, finished her off.

by Anonymousreply 86May 14, 2019 1:07 AM

I think the father did it.

by Anonymousreply 87May 14, 2019 1:28 AM

It was a accident. Auto erotic asphyxiation.

by Anonymousreply 88May 14, 2019 1:35 AM

R76, No neighbor saw Burke hit JonBenet. I think it was John.

by Anonymousreply 89May 14, 2019 1:48 AM

The nanny or housekeeper saw Burke hit JB with a golf club at an earlier occasion.

by Anonymousreply 90May 14, 2019 5:21 AM

My older brother was an utter twat to me as well. Just two years older than me. I received a lot of attention for getting good grades, for being good at dance and piano, and for getting a lot of praise from my parents. My brother was born hyperactive, disruptive, destructive, and sometimes had to be disciplined with a flyswatter to the ass (this was many decades ago when spanking was de rigeur in several households to control their brats). He teased me, bullied me, sometimes shoved me around, and once violently swung a teeter-totter into my chin. I still have the scar. He may have even hated me...and to this day, many many moons later, he still doesn't give a crap about me.

But he never would have killed me, or swung at me with a blunt object.

Whether Burke was born a little shit like my own brother is unknown, but perhaps he was acting out because his sister was getting just a little bit too much attention...from dear ol' dad. Perhaps he saw things a little kid should never have seen.

by Anonymousreply 91May 14, 2019 5:31 AM

Burke used to smear his feces all over his bedroom. I'm just saying.

by Anonymousreply 92May 14, 2019 6:51 AM

And in Jon Benet's room too ^^^^

by Anonymousreply 93May 14, 2019 10:26 AM

[quote]I don't understand why people care so much about this case. There are plenty of unsolved murders that are more recent.

If you don't understand the compelling power of a tiara there's no way to just explain it to you.

by Anonymousreply 94May 14, 2019 10:37 AM

R92, Yes Burke did this but only when he was younger and Patsy was undergoing intensive chemo treatments. Children often revert to such behaviors under stress, And R93, sorry you're wrong, there is no evidence Burke ever did that.

by Anonymousreply 95May 14, 2019 4:53 PM

I didn’t know she had cancer for so many years.

by Anonymousreply 96May 14, 2019 11:47 PM

^Patsy was originally diagnosed with Stage 4 ovarian cancer.

Ii’m surprised she lived as long as she did

by Anonymousreply 97May 15, 2019 12:02 AM

The crime scene was completely compromised. The forensic evidence, such as it was, was useless. If mother did it, she not only killed her child, but went to her grave condemning her son to be the object of suspicion for the rest of his life. Whatever the parents' role in her murder, or the brother's role., the videos of Jon-Benet, super-sexualized and vamping around, are really creepy.

by Anonymousreply 98June 30, 2019 3:43 AM

This case needs to be reopened.

by Anonymousreply 99June 30, 2019 3:58 AM

I used to think it was a stranger or intruder, especially because of the trace amount of DNA on JB’s panties. After reading this Ask Me Anything that the Bolder cheif of police did, I now believe it was someone inside the house.

by Anonymousreply 100June 30, 2019 4:09 AM

R82 I'm sorry you were such a sheltered child. Children should learn these valuable life skills early. You never know when they might just come in handy.

by Anonymousreply 101June 30, 2019 6:39 AM

The DNA on her underwear was touch DNA, it wasn’t traces of semen or anything. The same touch DNA was found in unopened packages of underwear.

The DNA almost certainly came from someone in the factory where the underwear was manufactured or packaged. Or possibly another shopper opened the package in the store before Patsy bought them. If you walked into Target right now and DNA tested a selection of random clothes, they’d all be covered in touch DNA. It’s a complete red herring.

by Anonymousreply 103June 30, 2019 8:56 AM

Don’t people wash underwear out of the package before they wear it? Ew?

And I can’t see any mother of any child making a garrote to “finish her off.”. Maybe a pillow.

by Anonymousreply 104June 30, 2019 10:02 AM

^According to Ramsey housekeeper, Linda Hoffman Pugh, Patty had a hard time keeping up with the laundry. I doubt if Patsy was vigilant about laundering new items.

by Anonymousreply 105June 30, 2019 5:42 PM

[quote]^Patsy was originally diagnosed with Stage 4 ovarian cancer.

Center stage 4, bitch. I've had just about enough of you people trashing me!

by Anonymousreply 106June 30, 2019 7:26 PM

Lies and slanders. my laundry game was perfect!

by Anonymousreply 107July 2, 2019 1:23 PM

I have seen some insane fights between brothers and brothers hitting sisters. After school stuff when the parents aren’t around.

I think Burke. The parents found out. The mother and father compose and write a note. They set a false stage.

The insane part is that maybe what was an accident then turned into wish fulfillment. All three were involved. That’s the creepiest thing.

by Anonymousreply 108July 2, 2019 1:31 PM

Why did the Patty Ramsey thread get deleted?

by Anonymousreply 109July 10, 2019 1:47 AM

Why did Burke sue CBS if he knew that he was guilty? They should not have settled and they should’ve gone to trial and called him and his father under oath.

by Anonymousreply 110July 10, 2019 6:57 PM