What serial killer story scared you most?
Robert Guerrero 
I’ll start. The Doodler!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 72 | May 28, 2021 3:38 AM |
Robert Berdella, who I recently (and unfortunately) read about:
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 1 | May 7, 2021 7:13 PM |
There's a new podcast about The Doodler
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 2 | May 7, 2021 7:15 PM |
You can't doodle with a dead noodle! Hahahahha!
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | May 7, 2021 7:16 PM |
Medusa, do u have sex with your father?
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | May 7, 2021 7:18 PM |
The DC-area sniper attacks earlier this century. Even though Iive nowhere close, the randomness of being picked-off just pumping gas was terribly frightening.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | May 7, 2021 7:21 PM |
I read Helter Skelter as a young teen and that scared me for a long time. Even though I was on the other side of the country, the thought of people sneaking into your home in the middle of the night kept gave me many sleepless nights, listening for footsteps in the dark. Also, the book had photos of the crime scene and I saw a picture of one of the victims, with their eyes open and the irises turning gray in death. {{shivers}}
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | May 7, 2021 7:31 PM |
Just briefly read about The Doodler and the police never released any of his doodles? That is interesting - I would have released one or two to see if anyone recognised the type of art.
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | May 7, 2021 7:48 PM |
The ones that bothered me most were when the killers abducted people and tortured them for hours before they killed them, like the Hillside Stranglers.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | May 7, 2021 7:51 PM |
The diddler scared me. He’s break into your house then diddle your meat under your bed clothes.
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | May 7, 2021 7:56 PM |
H.H. Holmes - only because I’ve known stupid, less charismatic versions of this monster who would kill anyone and treat their bodies as tradable goods.
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | May 7, 2021 8:09 PM |
That one who killed people then fucked em once they died
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | May 7, 2021 8:16 PM |
R12 you know serial killers?
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | May 7, 2021 8:37 PM |
Worse, R15; I’ve worked with hedge fund traders and accountants.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | May 7, 2021 9:09 PM |
Dean Corll scares me the most for personal reasons because, once I'd learned of him, his 'assistants' and their MO, for me it cast a new light on the encounter I had when I was six, walking home from school, when a pair of teens/young adults tried to force me into their car (I have summarized the incident on the thread '𝐖𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐥𝐞 𝐬𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐞𝐬𝐭 𝐢𝐧𝐜𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐩𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮?,' reply 140).
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 17 | May 7, 2021 9:27 PM |
When I was a kid a van with 3 dudes late teens early twenties tried to lure me into their van and have me perform oral sex on them. I told them I had a piano lesson to go to.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | May 7, 2021 11:25 PM |
The Domino’s Pizza Noid
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | May 8, 2021 12:23 AM |
My Life as the Zodiac Killer: The Mitt Romney Story
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | May 8, 2021 12:45 AM |
John Wayne Gacy, no question.
All those beautiful boys, destroyed and disposed of like trash.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 23 | May 8, 2021 2:26 AM |
Richard Speck. Yes, I know he was a mass murderer, but the extensive media coverage at the time of the murders kept me awake at night. I was always afraid of a murderer waiting under my bed.
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | May 8, 2021 2:35 AM |
Like R7, I read Helter Skelter at 13, and it scared the shit out of me.
I was convinced that even though I lived in Nowheresville in a tucked-away subdivision, a band of killers were going to break in and carve me up any night.
Glad I didn't read about Gacy until I was in my 30s! I may never have gone into a gay bar.
| by Anonymous | reply 25 | May 8, 2021 2:37 AM |
R17, like you, the Dean Corll story scared the shit out of me for years. If it hadn't been for one of his cronies turning on him, it might have gone on and on. The fact that there were almost no photos of Corll just made his story more mysterious.
Runners-up would be Randy Kraft, who killed almost 60 hitch-hikers, and Gary Ray Bowles, who lived off of gay men for a short time before killing them.
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | May 8, 2021 2:43 AM |
This guy. Looks totally benign.
I wonder if it was deeply ingrained self-loathing?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 27 | May 8, 2021 2:43 AM |
Gacy, Dahmer, and that guy from Indiana who picked up Gay guys and then buried them on his property. I guess Bundy too.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | May 8, 2021 2:47 AM |
Leonard Lake and Charles Ng. They kept people for weeks and months. Killed a baby in front of his mother. Canada caught Ng and despite policy to not return criminals who would be subject to the death penalty, they returned his ass to California pronto.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | May 8, 2021 2:47 AM |
I wouldn’t say any scared me but some are more unsettling. This couple are creepy as hell even though their death count was low
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 30 | May 8, 2021 3:09 AM |
Anthony Sowell was so creepy and the story was sad too
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 31 | May 8, 2021 3:10 AM |
Serial killers who rape and kill gay men
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 32 | May 8, 2021 3:13 AM |
Robert Picton those backwoods types creep me out
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 35 | May 8, 2021 3:23 AM |
Jeffrey Dahmer - he was head and shoulders above the rest in being frightening.
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | May 8, 2021 3:44 AM |
Not sure how familiar Americans would be with the Wests, but they were monstrous - even killing their own daughter and burying her under a patio, that he made the other children build.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 38 | May 8, 2021 3:48 AM |
Serial killers are mainly a white western thing ?
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | May 8, 2021 3:50 AM |
I was told that God would doom me to a painful, agonizing existence in hell where my soul would burn for all eternity if I so much as gazed lustfully at another man. It used to terrify me as a gayling.
But now I’m older and living my best whore life.
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | May 8, 2021 3:55 AM |
I've read a lot of true crime novels. I think the Manson killers were the scariest. Think of what they did: they went into homes where people they didn't know were having a quiet evening and butchered them, for no reason at all, except that they were told to by their leader. They could have killed anyone. After the Tate/La Bianca murder all of L.A. was scared shitless.
| by Anonymous | reply 43 | May 8, 2021 3:56 AM |
Harold Shipman is pretty terrifying because he seemed so normal, and most of his victims thought he was a marvellous fellow. He was a medical doctor and is estimated to have killed 250 of his patients. He’s probably the most prolific serial killer in British history, and yet some of his patients used to refuse to be seen by anyone but him. He seemed the kindliest of men and a wonderful Family doctor with a great bedside manner, but he selected elderly people, and put them to sleep like an animal.
However, Fred and Rosemary West (like Dean Corll) both still haunt me even more, because they used their victims as objects to be tortured, maimed and played with until they got bored with them. I can’t imagine what those poor people went through, and the terror they must have felt. Some of the West’s victims were discovered with their heads completely covered in duct tape, with just 2 straws stuck into their nose to keep them alive, and they were strung up or positioned to suit Fred West’s whims. He raped his own daughters, and either he or Rose murdered at least one of them. Other victims were family friends or complete strangers kidnapped while hitchhiking or just dragged into a van from the street.
Many of the victims had bones missing (including finger bones and bones from spinal columns), and there is a suspicion that they were kept as trophies. Two of the girls they murdered were eight months pregnant. After she was killed, the Wests removed the foetus from one girl, which was found buried with some of its bones missing.
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | May 8, 2021 4:29 AM |
The Iceman scared me badly. He tied one victim up and left him to be eaten alive by rats in an alley in NYC. He set up a camera and microphone and recorded every second of the mans three days of an agonizing, stomach churning death. Richarddd Kuklinski was a sadistic psychopath who decided to earn a living from his passion for serial killing. He worked for Roy DeMeo, a made mob guy in the Gambino crime family. DeMeo alone is another nightmare inducing horror. He ran The Gemini Nightclub which was also a murder " chop shop". To be knocked off by DeMeo meant you were killed by the "Gemini method." You can Google Roy DeMeo for more. They lured the victim to the Gemini Club, killed him, then took him to the bathtub ,opened up his arteries and hung them upside down to drain the blood quickly. While the man/men were hanging by their ankles draining , DeMeo and his crew would eat spaghetti at the little kitchen table, in full view of the draining bodies. They killed hundreds. Roy DeMeo was murdered and tossed into the trunk of a car, a chandelier around his head/neck. At least he made for a festive corpse. Look Mommy! Daddy is a Christmas decoration!
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 46 | May 8, 2021 8:46 AM |
The Doodler story is frustrating. Those that survived were afraid to testify for fear of being outed and what impact it would have on their personal and professional lives. Even though times have changed ,that man(if he is still alive) is still wandering the streets a free man. And what's worse, the police where certain they knew who the killer was.
| by Anonymous | reply 49 | May 9, 2021 12:48 AM |
r28 the guy from Indiana is Herb Baumeister.
Here's some local news footage of his speaking about, of all things, roadkill.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 50 | May 9, 2021 12:55 AM |
His old farm is supposed to be haunted r50. I can just imagine the horror of those poor murdered men
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | May 9, 2021 2:21 AM |
Ted Bundy. I was in college, long hair parted in the middle, during his years.
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | May 9, 2021 2:35 AM |
I used to find that stuff scary until years ago, my neighbor's daughter was murdered by her ex boyfriend. When she went missing for two days, her mother and a retired cop went looking. The guy was at work, but they peered into the basement window and she saw her daughter's coat on the basement floor. They called the cops who broke into the house (assumption a crime had been committed) and found her beaten to death and tied up as if he was going to take her some where and dump her. Gruesome and terrifying.
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | May 9, 2021 4:04 AM |
Richard Ramirez had me and pretty much everyone else in California obsessively double and triple-checking all the doors and windows in our homes. A lot of us had our best night's sleep in weeks when they finally caught that crazy bastard.
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | May 9, 2021 4:25 AM |
Authorities are searching a cafe West used to frequent for another victim. A waitress who worked there.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 56 | May 13, 2021 1:52 AM |
What's the bet that there are multiple bodies under that cafe floor - apparently Fred laid down the basement concrete.
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | May 13, 2021 6:06 AM |
I can't believe that authorities didn't search the cafe once a) the son went to police; d) West helped pour concrete on the site; and c) the pendant she wore at her brothers wedding was found at the Wests' house? WTF? I'm pretty sure this confluence of events would have resulted in a search warrant in the U.S. (or elsewhere through extra-legal means.
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | May 13, 2021 7:39 AM |
Donald Trump, he doesn't even need to lift a finger
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | May 13, 2021 7:57 AM |
I've always wondered why it seemed so many people born in 1930s and 1940s seemed so fucked up. I mean the Boomer stereotype has a nugget of truth to it and all the serial killers in the 60s, 70s and 80s. Like that particular age group was empathy deficit. Then I read about the ubiquity of lead throughout North America. In gasoline, pipes and paint. Lead exposure among youth seriously damages brain development particularly the prefrontal cortex which is responsible for empathy and impulse control. Also add all of the pseudoscience in medicine and psychology back then. Like electroshock therapy, lobotomies, performing surgery on infants without anesthesia, believing that holding infants too long was bad for them, the general acceptance of smoking and drinking during pregnancy, et cetera. Also head trauma from school sports and drafting young boys into wars. Many traumatized war veterans becoming fathers and being abusive to their children. Also the fact that abortion was socially unacceptable, so more babies were born to unfit parents who were often poor or single. We have come a long way. I'll just say that.
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | May 27, 2021 2:49 AM |
The BTK killer in Wichita ks. He broke into one woman's house when she wasn't home and then sent her a letter about how he was disappointed that he missed her.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | May 27, 2021 2:54 AM |
R60, The lead theory you mentioned has many proponents. It seems to make sense.
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | May 27, 2021 3:04 AM |
It was also a time where, if you deviated from social norms, you got the shit beaten out of you by your father. That level of repression and abuse warps the mind.
| by Anonymous | reply 63 | May 27, 2021 4:09 AM |
The McDonald's shooter from my hometown in the 1990s.
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | May 27, 2021 8:31 AM |
R62 Take in account that after WW2, there was rapid urbanization and industrialization due to the middle class growing exponentially. People were buying homes and automobiles in droves. Major highways were finally being connected and suburbs started popping up to house the growing young families. Couples were having a ton of kids as well. So you had a highly populated generation of children breathing in, drinking and eating lead like it was nothing. The amount of lead found in the blood of Baby Boomers is among the highest of all generations! It would explain why there was so much violence and irrationality combined with the booming population, newly constructed highways and changing sexual mores/free-range children.
The sad part is while lead exposure nationally declined due to banning it from gasoline and from homes built after 1978. Many areas are still afflicted by lead-based paint and pipes and there are water sources tainted with lead contamination. Flint, MI is not even the worst of the worst. There is no safe level of lead exposure. None at all. Millions of children who live in poor areas are still at risk for lead exposure and I'm wondering if that's what also spiked a lot of learning, neurological and behavioral disorders that are overrepresented in poor and minority children.
| by Anonymous | reply 66 | May 27, 2021 3:26 PM |
Israel Keyes, who would travel to random cities and pick people to follow and later kill. He murdered one couple after traveling to their city multiple times and even buried a "kill kit" near their home two years before he finally murdered them.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 67 | May 27, 2021 3:35 PM |
The thing I've noticed about most serial killers is how average they appear. They look like regular people in the neighborhood. This is what made them so horrifying. Many neighbors of these killers like in the case of The Wests, Gacy, Corll and Dahmer just saw them as a bit eccentric but mostly harmless. Also, contrary to the Hollywood stereotype that they're exceptionally smart and cunning, most serial killers really are either average or below average in intelligence. In fact most of them seemed mentally challenged and only got away with their murders because of the lack of forensic technology, cell phones and surveillance and general police incompetence. Then of course, the social mores of the period like teens and young people running away to join hippies in California, the prevalence of hitchhiking, people leaving the back door unlocked, having free range children, kids trusting strange adults and getting rides from them, et cetera.
Otis O'Toole and Richard Ramirez have faces from hell though.
| by Anonymous | reply 68 | May 28, 2021 3:17 AM |
Richard Ramirez wasn't ugly but when he showed his teeth he looked demonic. Otis Toole was hideous and looked like an evil monster from a nightmare. Gary Ridgeway looked mentally challenged. Randy Kraft, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy and Dean Corll looked normal but you can see the evil.
| by Anonymous | reply 71 | May 28, 2021 3:33 AM |
R71, you're right about some looking totally normal. Who could imagine Dean Corll running a candy shop, soft-spoken Jeffrey Dahmer being a cannibal or John Gacy being friends with First Lady Rosalyn Carter?
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | May 28, 2021 3:38 AM |
