Were there always so many trannies?
Robert Spencer 
I have been with you always, since the dawn of time.
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | April 27, 2019 3:43 PM |
A fashion, a fad. It's cooler to cut off your dick when others are only cutting off their foreskins.
| by Anonymous | reply 2 | April 27, 2019 3:51 PM |
R2 the autogynephelia types are more likely to cut their dick off. The homosexual type are not as crazy about cutting it off and often times need it for money and relationships
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | April 27, 2019 3:58 PM |
Straight men who enjoyed cross-dressing knew it was a sex fetish to be kept behind closed doors & that they were not actual women.
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | April 27, 2019 3:58 PM |
They've started thinking they are now, though, R4.
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | April 27, 2019 4:01 PM |
And most of the trannies are FTM. What i mean is that there are a lot more young ones transitioning rather it be the classical lesbian variety or the new type called Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD). Funny thing is i hear no lesbians talking about this nearly as often as the so-called man lesbians. Anyways, ROGD is a lot more effected by teen girls and young women and half of them are lesbians or non-straight. Social contagion is believed to be the cause of this ROGD and we know how females tend to follow social crap more easily.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | April 27, 2019 4:07 PM |
I love these manafort inspired threads, designed to sow discord.
Our rights are threaded by the republicans. Right now, the 5 republicans on the Supreme Court are voting that it's ok to discriminate based on sexual identity.
But here, on DL, instead of discussing the real threat, we bash trans people as the enemy, and Dems who want to ensure civil rights, because trans people.
Well done, OP. I expect much more of this bs as elections get closer. You gotta keep the anger and hostility going so the real issues aren't discussed,
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | April 27, 2019 4:13 PM |
R6: Look to slash and yaoi as the reason. Many of these so-called FTMs are so obsessed with it that they can no longer get off without thinking of themselves as a guy with another guy. Many of them identify as 'soft gay bois uwu'. Also the fact that they've been socialised almost entirely online, and simply aren't as grounded in physical reality as previous generations. Online, they're surrounded by enablers, which wouldn't be the case if they actually stepped away from their laptops and left the house once in a while.
TLDR: they're fag-hags 2.0, only now they've found a way to demand access to gay men's bodies as well as their spaces.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | April 27, 2019 4:23 PM |
[quote][R2] the autogynephelia types are more likely to cut their dick off. The homosexual type are not as crazy about cutting it off and often times need it for money and relationships
I thought it was the opposite: the autogynes (heterosexual men) are turned on by performing as women (and being validated as women), vs the homosexuals who felt effeminate and from a young age felt that they were born in the wrong body.
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | April 27, 2019 4:27 PM |
Way more trans now. Amazing how much gender non-conformity there is even in grade schools In this eldergays childhood,, boys and girls had very socially reinforced gender roles to be followed or else significant teasing, bullying or worse. We’ve come a long way, baby
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | April 27, 2019 5:07 PM |
"A fashion, a fad"
Yes, that is why less than 1% of the population identifies as trans. Not much of a fad.
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | April 27, 2019 5:08 PM |
R3 I thought it was the reverse. The autogyns keep them. Makes sense if they are into women like most transwomen.
The "gay" ones are more likely to cut them off but even relatively few of them do it. Most trans don't do it.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | April 27, 2019 5:10 PM |
No we haven't r11. We came a long way in the androgynous 70s. But now trans is all about strict adherence to and performance of stereotypical gender roles. If your daughter plays with trucks or your son wants to be a princess, now instead of being called tomboy or sissy they will likely be called 'trans' and expect everyone else to go along.
The gay movement was about questioning gender stereotypes and fixing society to be more fluid. The trans movement is about deification of gender expectations and hardcore adherence to them, including surgery.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | April 27, 2019 5:12 PM |
[quote]Right now, the 5 republicans on the Supreme Court are voting that it's ok to discriminate based on sexual identity.
what?
most people here know that 'sex' does not mean 'gender identity' and sex-based laws like Title IX will be undermined by changing to self-identification as law.
| by Anonymous | reply 16 | April 27, 2019 5:14 PM |
no, r14, drag queens and trannies are completely different. Drag Queens have a sense of humor about the whole thing. Trannies, never.
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | April 27, 2019 5:16 PM |
didn't Ru Paul get attacked for being 'transphobic'? I thought all he said was transwomen couldn't compete on the show. Which makes sense: if you claim to be a woman, then you can't do drag. because drag is men performing as women in an exaggerated way. You can't have it both ways.
Honestly the trans mind games make my head spin.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | April 27, 2019 5:22 PM |
[quote] soft gay bois uwu
Wtf ?
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | April 27, 2019 5:27 PM |
This article published today really points out the unethical nature of the medical treatment of "trans" children. Make sure you read the last 2 sentences below.
BioEdge: Does transgender medicine for kids need more bioethical scrutiny?
“In 2017, the NIH launched a prospective study of 400 transgender adolescents. It will be the first study to examine the effects of drugs that block puberty until a teenager’s body and mind is mature enough to begin cross-sex hormone treatment.”
It’s odd that this has to be described as “the first study”.
Back in 2011 the US Institute of Medicine lamented the lack of data about the health implications of hormone use for transgender youth. It stated: “Although some literature addresses the process of gender identity development among transgender youth, little of this literature is supported by empirical evidence or longitudinal data. The lack of available cohort data on the relationship between developmental issues and general health status represents a distinct gap in the literature.”
The study mentioned by Nature is being led by Johanna Olson-Kennedy, a California expert on transgender issues. Her grant application states that “This multi-center study will be the first in the U.S. to evaluate longitudinal outcomes of medical treatment for transgender youth and will provide essential evidence-based data on the physiological and psychosocial effects and safety of treatments currently used for transgender youth.”
So, six years after the gap in knowledge had been identified and long after doctors began prescribing powerful hormones as puberty blockers, there was still no solid evidence about how safe the treatments are.
Transgender medicine is opening up a new frontier for bioethics. But the issues are still murky. How ethical is it to treat minors with drugs whose effects are unsupported by rigorous research? How ethical is the patients’ consent? Sound bioethics is always based on sound data. But what if there is no data? How ethical has the decade or more of teenage treatment been? This is something that bioethicists ought to look into – fast.
In the meantime Dr Olson-Kennedy has informed the National Institutes of Health, which is funding her research, that “the minimum age for the cross-sex hormone cohort inclusion criteria was decreased from 13 to 8 to ensure that a potential participant ... would not be excluded due to age alone." If the ethics of treating 13-year-old is murky, how about 8-year-olds?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 20 | April 27, 2019 5:28 PM |
Everyone watches RuPaul and thinks they are trans these days!
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | April 27, 2019 5:29 PM |
how can an 8 year old consent to hormone treatment? how can parents allow that?
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | April 27, 2019 5:34 PM |
They can't, R22.
The article at R20 also points out that many liberals are just talking out of their ass on this subject. Like Adam Conover was on this recent Joe Rogan episode.
Conover kept referring to what his trans friends say on the issue of trans child medical treatment. He kept saying that his trans friends say there are studies supporting it.
But there are no long-term studies regarding children. It's all entirely experimental.
By the way, Conover mentions that ALL of his transwomen friends previously lived as STRAIGHT MEN before "transitioning".
Basically, straight men who "transitioned" in adulthood (and likely keep their penises) are shaping the treatment for little kids that are likely just gay.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 23 | April 27, 2019 5:48 PM |
There have always been people who wanted to trans, but it was too unacceptable until LGBTQI rights became better protected. Feminine gay men for example, outwardly identified as gay, but their real identity was kept to themselves was as transwomen. Before modern medicine and social rights, the default setting was gay - that’s the best they could do. But a lot of gays are simply born with the wrong gender and now have the freedom to become the gender they really are.
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | April 27, 2019 6:00 PM |
Are you Juno Dawson, R24?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 25 | April 27, 2019 6:02 PM |
R24 is the scat troll who starts threads about pooping and shit.
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | April 27, 2019 6:05 PM |
I am not a fan of the tranny movement but I'm a historian and there have always been trannies. The main difference now is that they are more visible. That's not a bad thing in and of itself. The other difference is a dangerous development and that's the move to use medical procedures on children. It will be discredited in a big way in a generation's time.
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | April 27, 2019 6:08 PM |
R27, historically, did trannies believe they were actually women or did they just prefer living like them? Did trannies want access to and control over female spaces?
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | April 27, 2019 6:16 PM |
A generation is not good enough. This has to be stopped now before we lose any more gay people to it.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | April 27, 2019 6:21 PM |
R10 nope, the homosexual transwoman needs dick for prostitution and that many of the men prefer it that they keep it. In addition, they are not as dysphoric about it.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | April 27, 2019 6:33 PM |
Fuck OP and the anti-trans baiting threads!
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | April 27, 2019 6:34 PM |
R30 I agree with what you are saying about the gay "transwomen" but the straight ones aren't running to chop off their dicks either.
The straight ones usually don't have gender dysphoria, right? They are the ones that get turned putting on mommy's bra and panties when they are in their teens.
I guess it is only the dysphoric ones that consider the surgery. But many of todays trans don't have dysphoria.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | April 27, 2019 6:36 PM |
R23 straight WHITE MALE TRANS. THEY are the ones pushing this agenda. I think straight white men disproportionately suffer from this paraphilia like crossdressing and such. Damn weirdos.
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | April 27, 2019 6:38 PM |
R33, I wonder why though?
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | April 27, 2019 6:39 PM |
[quote]But many of todays trans don't have dysphoria.
Not only that, to equate trans with dysphoria makes you 'truscum' (a name invented by the same mature people who call biologically inclined thinkers 'TERFs')
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | April 27, 2019 6:50 PM |
So, did Jazz's parents have to pay out-of-pocket for all of Jazz's treatments? Insurance companies don't usually pay for experimental care.
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | April 27, 2019 6:54 PM |
Exhibits: BIlly Tipton - Female musician who lived her entire life as a man - including several marriages - only "outed" by mortician upon death. (1914-1989)
Dr. Alan Hart - Female who underwent hysterectomy etc to live as a man (1917)
240 Civil war soldiers have been documented as females dressing and living as men their entire lives.
Lucy Anderson was a 19th century man living as a woman 1889-1954
Hijira in India - recorded as men living as women over 2500 years history
Some native American tribes accepted trans people as two-spirit- but only some. Others did not accept them.
Cross dressing has been recorded in every society since the beginning of written records. Hard to say in some cases whether this was for fun or represented actual beliefs on the parts of the crossdressers that they were more comfortable in the clothes of the opposite sex.
So, there have always been some. The prevalence in the news now is faddish Numbers are not substantially higher, but parents are allowing feminine boys to wear dresses and tomboyish girls to dress and act as boys. Again- that's a fad. (Less than 4000/year make a surgical transition in the US - that's a tiny proportion of the population as a while ) . Surgery and hormones are newer. I think eventually the law will step in and prevent childhood transitioning until some appointed age - (maybe 16 or later). Right now the law is murky surrounding this.
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | April 27, 2019 7:00 PM |
Transsexualism is a branch of sex addiction. Transsexuals are sex addicts. Changing to another sex is the ultimate in obsession.
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | April 27, 2019 7:04 PM |
PS don't address this question to Eldergays. Typical gay men in every time period have had extremely limited interactions with trans people, except as entertainers (drag queens). Trans people are as mysterious to gay men and lesbians as they are to straight people, except that gay people would be less inhibited about crossdressing for Halloween than straight people.
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | April 27, 2019 7:05 PM |
There is nothing mysterious about transsies.
| by Anonymous | reply 41 | April 27, 2019 7:08 PM |
r38 yes there have always been gender-bending people. The current trans movement is different. The current trans movement has conflated heterosexual male paraphilias with those who wish to present as the opposite gender.
Also no native american two spirits or indian hijiras or any of the examples of cross-dressers in history who 'passed' sought to change the law to say that men are women. That's a very recent demand.
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | April 27, 2019 7:09 PM |
“T” is right wing abetted genocide against gay children. Pretty insidious actually.
| by Anonymous | reply 43 | April 27, 2019 7:09 PM |
Thanks, R42. That's what it seemed like.
Also, women who passed as men back in Civil War Times through the early 1900s were likely doing so to be able to work in their chosen field and to have the same freedoms as men of that time. Many were likely lesbians.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | April 27, 2019 7:17 PM |
Very few teens under 18 have had any surgical intervention, and the effects of hormones and puberty blockers are well known because they were used for other non-trans conditions for years -- they're not permanent.
The anti-trans posters make a lot of hysterical claims and link to a lot of suspicious websites, and that alone should make anyone who reads these threads question their motivation.
There is a lot of good information online from legitimate websites. Don't read tweets or anonymous threads like this or go to a website that you've never heard of before for information. For instance, you can find on several medical insurance and hospital websites the information that someone must be the age of majority (i.e. 18) to get surgery. On a thread like this, you'll be told that babies are being surgically transed by straights who want to commit gay genocide.
Find a legitimate source and get your information from there.
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | April 27, 2019 7:28 PM |
R45 didn’t some lady take her young son to southeast Asia to get the chop for him to better imitate being a girl?
Kids are definitely in harms way because of the T cult. They need to know that it’s impossible to change sex, & that it will cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for the monthly “hormone” meds they will need for the REST OF THEIR LIVES to maintain the facade of looking like the opposite sex.
These kids need to know that straight boys won’t touch a “lady dick” or even a surgically made hole where a dick used to be.
They need to know that straight chicks don’t want a man with a vagina & scars where “his” breasts used to be.
Telling kids they can change sex is a total lie.
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | April 27, 2019 7:34 PM |
R45 what you are saying is NOT TRUE regarding the treatment of CHILDREN. Read the article at R20.
Jazz had his penis mutilated before he was 18. And Jazz mentioned 2 friends (1 who appeared on the show) who also had their penises mutilated before 18. There may have been more but I didn't watch all the episodes. Kim Petras had his penis mutilated at 16.
If you look at that article at R20, the push is to lower the age when the medical treatment is started from 13 to 8. So, of course, the ones that are receiving the treatment early are also having the surgeries before they are 18.
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | April 27, 2019 7:35 PM |
R38's list is typical stupid pro-Trans propaganda.
Giving a bunch of examples of people who lived or dressed or acted "like" the other sex is useless...especially when talking about times and cultures where women and homosexuals did not have equal rights and freedoms. When women had no access to education or property rights, is it any wonder that some of them chose to live "like" a man?
And R45 is completely full of shit. If hormones and puberty blockers are so inconsequential and easily reversed...why use them at all?
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | April 27, 2019 7:36 PM |
Here's why, R48.
It's a link to a legitimate and reputable medical journal, by the way. Hopefully that won't offend you too much.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 49 | April 27, 2019 7:40 PM |
R45; the puberty blockers and hormones aren't reversible. You know who taught us that? Jazz Jennings and his micropenis. A micropenis isn't "reversible".
Also, the Australian boy in this video, who started the blockers at 12 and the hormones at 13 and then decided to detransition at 14 was left with permanent body damage. The bone fusing and feminization of his features were not reversible. They didn't get into his fertility. Plus, he had to get a mastectomy.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 50 | April 27, 2019 7:41 PM |
R49, read the article at R20.
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | April 27, 2019 7:42 PM |
How many of these researchers are secretly or openly trans? How much of this research is funded by trans money?
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | April 27, 2019 7:43 PM |
The FIRST study was only initiated in 2017.
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | April 27, 2019 7:44 PM |
The February 2019 issue of Circulation, the journal of the American Heart Association, has an article on a long-term study of the effects of cross-sex hormone on transgenders of both sexes. Massive increase in the incidences of blood clots, strokes and heart attacks.
Until the 1960s, women in this country weren't legally allowed to use contraception. Until 1972, women were second-class citizens in terms of academic opportunities.
Until 1920, after a hundred-year plus struggle, women were allowed the right to vote, and for the first time women had all the rights and responsibilities of full citizens.
Less than a hundred years ago, women weren't even full citizens.
And women still don't have an Equal Rights Amendment, but instead, the Equality Act will destroy any legal rights women have.
So when we talk about why women "transitioned" in the past, let's put it in the context of the times - women were considered less than men, and some weren't prepared to take that.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 54 | April 27, 2019 7:55 PM |
The BioEdge folks appear to be Catholics in Australia who write a lot of articles about how trans, abortion, euthanasia etc. are morally wrong. A search of the author, Michael Cook, also of the obviously rightwing Mercatornet, and another frequent contributor, Xavier Symons, shows their bias pretty clearly.
I appreciate that you agree with them, but neither Cook nor Symons (nor anyone else on BioEdge) are medical professionals.
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | April 27, 2019 7:57 PM |
And your researchers aren't experts in ethics.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | April 27, 2019 7:59 PM |
Medical professionals have always needed to be reeled in by independent ethics panels.
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | April 27, 2019 8:00 PM |
Are you saying that only medical doctors can weigh in on the ethics of whether an 8-year old boy can give consent for experimental, irreversible treatment of a non-life threatening condition?
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | April 27, 2019 8:02 PM |
LOL, R49...what a bunch of bullshit. That's not science...it's a book report on one woman's journal paper on the issue. Her opinion.
Most telling was how easily she glossed over the issue of consent. By her own admission, suppressing puberty is an experimental treatment and thus requires patient consent. From the summary:
"Given this situation, are these prepubescent children able to provide consent for the treatment? Giordano says that they can, so long as the clinician discusses all potential risks and benefits, as he or she must do with any experimental drug. Because this is the only therapy available for children with GID, it might be considered unethical to deny this treatment option."
CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT TO BEING DENIED PUBERTY.
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | April 27, 2019 8:03 PM |
Nor can children consent to sterilization.
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | April 27, 2019 8:05 PM |
No, lots of clone gym dandies, but only a few notable drag queens.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | April 27, 2019 8:08 PM |
What percentage of white people trans compared to other ethnicities?
Is it rich white people transitioning?
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | April 27, 2019 9:46 PM |
R54 women have more than enough rights and privileges in the USA, especially white women. No need for more.
| by Anonymous | reply 63 | April 28, 2019 12:35 AM |
R63, then you agree also that American men who think they are women also have enough rights and privileges. They don't need extra rights like access to female spaces.
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | April 28, 2019 12:39 AM |
R44 almost all were lesb*ans. Just like almost all the FT* are les*ians. The excuse that many le*bians are saying that " they trans*tion because of misogyny and to hide from men" does not sound right to me. First of all, these women were mascu*ine as hell and visibly le*bians before transiti*ning. That i believe made them already invisible to men. Being a mas*uline woman has a lot more benefits than a fe*inine man but mas*uline le*bians still tran*ition at much higher rates than fe*inine g*y men. The "misogyny" cr*p does not hold enough weight for me. Sorry le*bians but that theory is cr*p. Now if they were fem*nine before tra*sitioning.....
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | April 28, 2019 12:46 AM |
R62 the white trans typically tend to have more money, much more likely to be gynephelic and often times into other transwomen (usually into the homosexual ones). They are the ones pushing for this mess and making themselves visible to everyone. They usually have wives, kids and worked in stereotypical masculine jobs. They were always masculine from the beginning. The homosexual or HSTS transwomen are poorer, typically come form latino and black background and work usually work in pink collar jobs or prostitutes themselves. Sad but true. Also, it is very easy to spot and conpare a autogynepheliac trans to a HSTS. The former are not showy, look more masculine in the face, body, and their pattern of speech, white; their smile and pose in pictures are very crossdressing like. The latter is more feminine looking in face and body (g*y face helps) and tend to talk and behave drag queenish or fem gay. If they transitioned a lot earlier and socialized more with girls then you would have a lot more trouble spotting it. Just use your gay-dar to spot them and believe me that it would not fail.
| by Anonymous | reply 66 | April 28, 2019 1:02 AM |
R64 go whine and complain about your fem*nist stuff elsewhere. I am not here defending tr*ns or you fem*nist lunatics. You are already in male space here, womyn.
| by Anonymous | reply 67 | April 28, 2019 1:14 AM |
[quote]R12 ...less than 1% of the population identifies as trans. Not much of a fad.
Exactly. If it’s the new norm, why don’t I know any?
(I guess they all live in OP’s city. Or head.)
| by Anonymous | reply 68 | April 28, 2019 4:55 AM |
It’s not hard to imagine that anyone can decide they want the “privileges” of another group - male, female, whatever - and move from there to insisting or believing they are rightfully part of that group & entitled to its “privileges.” If our society has decided to honor that, fine.
But it’s a different story once they start trying to erase the distinct identity of the group they want in to, or making the leap from styling to medical-industry mutilation.
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | April 29, 2019 12:42 PM |
R69, I know right?
You’d think the SJWs would KNOW that. But when it comes to Ts, they’re dickmatized.
By the patriarchy...men. Men who say they’re women are still men.
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | April 30, 2019 10:03 AM |
Fetishisation of heterosexual men? What do you think?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 71 | May 1, 2019 8:41 AM |
It's a fad among the kids, but one that is extremely well-funded, so pushed by people and corporations who have $$$ to gain. Kids in the US, UK, Canada, Australia - all over the Western world, are being indoctrinated in schools. But it's even being pushed in the Developing World.
The UN Commission on the Status of Women just pushed back by telling the Trans Activists who want to change the definition of "sex" to include "gender identity" that the change would destroy women's rights worldwide.
In schools, it's often called SOGI education now, standing for Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity, but it's primarily a push to teach kids that any kid who feels remotely uncomfortable with themselves that they are born in the wrong body.
It's also a great way to roll back women and gay rights, and to destabilize society, because the attack is coming from "the Left" this time, so Progressives, with little time to sort through bullshit, blindly follow the Trans Activist Narrative because it's Progressive-endorsed.
It's all going to blow up in the next few years as more and more people are affected, but many laws will have been passed that will have extremely negative effects on the rights of gays, women, parents, and many, many primarily gay kids lives will be destroyed.
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | May 2, 2019 11:53 PM |
Were the eunuchs of the Byzantine and Ottoman empires trannies? That's a lot of trannies in history. One was a famous Byzantine admiral.
| by Anonymous | reply 73 | May 3, 2019 12:03 AM |
