The Manson Girls
Robert Spencer 
What mental illness(es) would they be diagnosed with? Given their insane, psychotic behavior throughout the trial..
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 191 | September 7, 2018 1:27 AM |
Some of those girls make Maria Butina look positively stunning
| by Anonymous | reply 1 | August 26, 2018 5:20 PM |
Linda Kasabian flipped on Charlie! That should be illegal! What a rat!
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | August 26, 2018 5:21 PM |
Speaking of DJT, we could use a few Manson girls and a little helter skelter realness on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue....
Just sayin!
| by Anonymous | reply 4 | August 26, 2018 5:23 PM |
[quote]What mental illness(es) would they be diagnosed with? Given their insane, psychotic behavior throughout the trial..
Insanity Psychosis
| by Anonymous | reply 5 | August 26, 2018 5:27 PM |
They all were diagnosed. They all saw various psychiatrists, some long before their arrest for TLB.
Atkins has anti-social personality disorder. She had to look after her mother who died of cancer, and her father threw her out of the house when she was a teen. She was stripping and turning tricks in SF when she met Manson. A cunning, low intellect, aggressive personality who craved male approval and being the centre of attention.
Krenwinkle was depressive and anxious with very low self-esteem. Easily manipulated by Manson in exchange for affection and sex. Daddy issues, which Manson exploited.
Van Houten was vain and shallow, from a solid middle-class background. Very young, fell in with the psychopathic Bobby Beausoleil who handed her over to Manson. Psychiatrists have found her narcissistic in interviews.
They all took acid about three times a week, for months or in some cases over years. All were arguably semi psychotic at the time of the murders. Atkins and Watson were also speed freaks which Manson did not approve of - made people less easy for him to control - but Tex Watson was dealing speed in secret and he and Atkins had a stash they used heavily before and on the night of the killings.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | August 26, 2018 5:30 PM |
BTW OP regarding the suggestion that they were psychotic during the trial, Ed Sanders believes that Sandy Good and Squeaky soaked parts of the cloaks they made for the girls to wear during part of the trial in LSD, which the girls sucked off the fabric.
| by Anonymous | reply 7 | August 26, 2018 5:32 PM |
How were they allowed to wear such flamboyant clothes throughout the trial?
| by Anonymous | reply 8 | August 26, 2018 5:34 PM |
Lots of drugs, brainwashing by the leading maniac in a cult... not a good combo.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | August 26, 2018 5:36 PM |
Here's a freaky mugshot of Atkins. Jesus, what was she on here?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 11 | August 26, 2018 5:37 PM |
Pat Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten are now considered "Golden Girls" in their women prison.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 12 | August 26, 2018 5:42 PM |
I always had deep sympathy for Leslie and Pat. They have been model prisoners and feel deep remorse. Squeaky on the other hand is pure unadulterated evil. Susan seemed to reform but I never really bought it.
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | August 26, 2018 5:50 PM |
Susan Atkins is dead. She died in 2009... brain tumor.
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | August 26, 2018 5:53 PM |
Borderline personalities. Sociopaths.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | August 26, 2018 5:59 PM |
I have more sympathy for their victims
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | August 26, 2018 6:01 PM |
The ravishingly beautiful Patricia Krenwinkel... and a disinterested female prison guard checking her cellphone :-P
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 18 | August 26, 2018 6:02 PM |
Ya better stop bad-mouthin' my pals, ya little PIGGIES! I'm not foolin' . . .
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | August 26, 2018 6:07 PM |
Manson was a brilliant manipulator and career criminal, so he knew all about how to get in people's heads. He had various loyalty tests he used before he let girls join the family: Most of the tests involved sexual degradation of various kinds. Girls that wouldn't do it were told to hit the road.
The girls who stayed were, therefore, already damaged, submissive, and vulnerable. Add isolation, physical/emotional/sexual abuse, and copious amounts of drugs, and well, the results are the Manson murders. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have been punished, but it does give some context to their crimes.
I read somewhere that Tex Watson later said the girls didn't actually kill anybody: He did all of the stabbing, the girls just helped by catching victims, holding people, down, etc. No idea if that's true or not.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | August 26, 2018 6:08 PM |
R20, Patricia Krenwinkel pretty much stabbed Abigail folger to death.
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | August 26, 2018 6:10 PM |
I looked the case up at Crime Library, and it said this:
[Quote] Folger fled the room she was taken to and then was chased by Krenwinkel. Folger was stabbed by Krenwinkel and eventually stabbed by Watson as well. Folger was stabbed a total of 28 times by both Krenwinkel and Watson. Meanwhile, Frykowski was struggling across the lawn when Watson came to stab him again. Frykowski was stabbed a total of 51 times.
So it seems as if Krenwinkel did do some stabbing, but perhaps Watson means that he finished Folger off? I doubt there's any way he could know that for sure, given the chaos of that night. I know there is some ambiguity as to who killed Sharon Tate. Susan Atkins said for years that she did it, but later recanted.
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | August 26, 2018 6:18 PM |
R20 Watson was lying. Susan did her fair share of stabbing as did Krenwinkel.
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | August 26, 2018 6:20 PM |
Didn’t Atkins father immediately marry another woman after her mother died? Atkins did all the care for her mother who was in tremendous pain (cancer in those days was horribly treated) and the father immediately got married and the woman told Atkins father she wasn’t going to deal with some surly teen, so Atkins father kicked her out. That’s rough. To go from valued caretaker of dying mother to a nothing with no family is enough to make anyone bitter and messed up.
A lot of the family’s women were either discarded by their families or had serious unaddressed psychological problems or both. This was before women’s lib, btw. The women’s movement was just beginning and these girls were not brought up in a world where it existed. My sister is only 3 years older than I am but it’s like we’re from different generations. She & her friends were all hot to get married right after high school (we lived in a blue collar town). Their fantasy was that they’d all get married, live near each other, have children and continue to hang out together. The thought of living one’s life without a man never occurred to them. All of them were brought up watching tv & movies where the aim of the female characters was to get a man & get married & live happily ever after.
Then there were the crazy circumstances like that of Ruthann Moorehouse. Her father Dean was a phony ass minister and major pedophile who took his daughters with him to live with The Family. He was a major pedo
When I think of the Manson girls I always remember the Black Dahlia. Her mother was left to try to raise the 5 daughters alone after her father faked his suicide during the depression in order to to get away from family responsibilities. The mother went on “relief” (welfare) and worked several jobs with meager pay. Bettie Short had lung problems & was sent to camp for people with tuberculosis. She moved to California to be an actress & live with her father, but he kicked her out. She never really made enough money to live on her own so she became something of a drifter. She didn’t seem to have any skills at daily living. She didn’t know how to make a plan & was hoping for marriage but it never happened. I think Bettie Short was on the spectrum. With a difficult childhood - parents never at home, moving a lot due to her mother’s economic situation, being on relief (which was considered a social failure in those days), going back & forth to TB camps...not a good upbringing that would prepare one for life. Being on the spectrum didn’t help, nor did moving to CA to her feckless father. When she realized she couldn’t be a movie star, all she wanted was to get married.
No good comes of unprepared young women setting out alone in life and looking to men to make them relevant . But that’s the way it was in those days. A woman by herself was nothing. Hopefully, we have as a society moved away from that attitude.
Watching TV as a kid, I remember the women being all about getting a man.
| by Anonymous | reply 24 | August 26, 2018 6:28 PM |
The r11 mugshot is truly frightening. She looks like a demon. Imagine that was the last face Sharon Tate saw before she died. No sympathy for any of those witches.
| by Anonymous | reply 25 | August 26, 2018 6:50 PM |
I don't know if this was an Urban Legend or the Mandela Effect, but years ago when I saw the crime scene photos I could've sworn I saw the baby lying next to Sharon after having been removed by the Manson Family.
| by Anonymous | reply 26 | August 26, 2018 6:53 PM |
That’s not correct, R26. Tate’s unborn baby died in the womb (estimate was about ten minutes after Tate died) but was removed during the autopsy. Tate was buried with the baby in her arms. It was a boy.
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | August 26, 2018 7:00 PM |
[quote] what was she on here?
Speed.
I know the look well. It’s what we used to call “coming down from a speed jag.” A jag is when you haven’t slept for several days because you had enough speed to keep taking more. Then you run out. That’s when you crashed. Hallucinations (wallpaper turns into bugs, a tv that’s shut off turns itself on and you hear a ballgame with the crowd cheering and announcers)... been there.
Feeling like you could puke but you haven’t eaten for a few days so there’s nothing in your stomach. After seeing hallucinations you might conclude that everything going on around you isn’t real, so you just laugh. “I know this isn’t really happening.” Dark circles, dry eyes, feeling like you’re never going to be able to sleep again.
Ah, the bad old days.
Speed was much, much more responsible for hallucinations and psychosis than LSD was. And lots of people were hooked on speed because it was legal. You could get it from “diet” doctors. Everybody’s mom was on it.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | August 26, 2018 7:01 PM |
I agree, R4.
And this time when they paint the word “PIGS”on the wall in blood, it’ll be much more poignant.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | August 26, 2018 7:05 PM |
They'd be Trump supporters and avid believers in Q-Anon nowadays. In fact, I compare contemporary RWNJs to the Manson Family all the time - absolute faith the leader, racist, willing to kill people, nothing the leader does is wrong, and spreading/believing ridiculous conspiracy theories based on psycho interpretations of cultural artifacts.
If Manson were still alive, he'd be taking credit for inspiring the people behind the Q-Anon conspiracy delusion.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | August 26, 2018 7:39 PM |
The Manson threads on dL are always good.
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | August 26, 2018 8:04 PM |
Hey now, wait just a second. The Manson girls were addled by LSD, amphetamines, synthetic mescaline (and most of that shit was cut with powdered chlorine cleanser) The RWNJs aren’t on drugs. They believe all that shit while sober.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | August 26, 2018 8:10 PM |
I'll never forget reading Susan Atkins saying that after Tex and Patricia went outside after Abigail that she stayed inside with Sharon and that Sharon was "so quiet" right before she was killed. It gave me chills.
| by Anonymous | reply 33 | August 26, 2018 8:27 PM |
Krenwinkel was asked during a parole hearing who she had hurt the most by her crimes, her reply: "Myself". Translation:" I'm the real victim here." I hope none of Manson's skanks ever get out, so glad that Atkins died in prison.
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | August 26, 2018 8:29 PM |
I was like 7 years old when the trial was happening. The NY Daily News had the Manson Girls' pictures on the cover every day and I remember that they scared the shit out of me.
| by Anonymous | reply 35 | August 26, 2018 8:47 PM |
I may be misremembering but didn’t Joan Didion buy those dresses for the girls at I. Magnin?
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | August 26, 2018 9:28 PM |
Didion bought one dress. For Linda Kasabian.
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | August 26, 2018 10:03 PM |
Drugs.
You're parents warned you!
| by Anonymous | reply 38 | August 26, 2018 10:06 PM |
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Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 39 | August 27, 2018 1:46 AM |
An interview with Squeaky Fromme in 1987. Squeaky was not involved in any of the murders, but she ended up spending 34 years in prison for pointing an unloaded gun at Gerald Ford.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 40 | August 27, 2018 1:52 AM |
Squeaky's BFF, Sandy Good, who also did not participate in the murders but is nonetheless a basketcase.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 41 | August 27, 2018 1:54 AM |
They suffered from ugliness and seeing Sharon Tate's beauty set them off
| by Anonymous | reply 42 | August 27, 2018 2:08 AM |
Can we do a headcount please? How many of Manson's former disciples are still living and where are they living whether incarcerated or not.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | August 27, 2018 2:28 AM |
Describing Patricia Krenwinkle as "ravishing" is hilarious
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | August 27, 2018 3:06 AM |
Don’t know why everyone wasnt gay back then if that’s what women looked like.
| by Anonymous | reply 46 | August 27, 2018 3:08 AM |
R10, their brains were likely the only part of them that were washed. I don't think any of them had a shower since JFK's assassination.
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | August 27, 2018 3:14 AM |
That's unbelievably sad, R27. It pretty much cancels any sympathy I'd have for the Manson girls. You can talk about unhappy childhoods and drugs and Manson's manipulative control, but it all comes down to a pregnant woman begging for the life of her unborn child, a child she'd never get to hold except in her coffin.
These women have all gotten to live their lives and there are still people arguing for their right to experience freedom in their old age, but Paul Polanski, who would have been turning 49 in a couple of months never got to to experience any kind of life at all.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | August 27, 2018 3:56 AM |
R6 Thank you for that reply.
Does DL know that Van Houten was released at one point because it was ruled that she did not receive a fair trial? I guess she was out for about three years. She even attended an Oscars ceremony during her period of freedom. Yes, Van Houten was a child of privilege.
John Waters is friends with her, for reasons known only to John Waters.
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | August 27, 2018 4:11 AM |
I guess Sharon Tate bled to death and it took her unborn son 20 minutes to suffocate. A c-section was performed and the child was buried with her, cradled in the crook of her arm.
When Roman Polanski received the news he went berserk. Sobbing and wailing, "Did Sharon know I loved her? Did Sharon know I loved her?" He was finally sedated. (Polanski had a tendency to treat Tate like garbage and she waited until she was three months pregnant to tell him about the baby so he couldn't brow-beat her into having an abortion.)
| by Anonymous | reply 52 | August 27, 2018 4:16 AM |
Oh, and Charles Manson could never, not once, find the courage to face Sharon Tate's family in court.
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | August 27, 2018 4:17 AM |
R18 The guard in the party city wig is looking at keys.
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | August 27, 2018 4:20 AM |
On some level, you gotta hand it to Linda Kasabian. She had her young daughter with her at the "family ranch" and she found it within herself to defy Manson. Kinda ruins the "Well, Charlie told us to do it" defense.
| by Anonymous | reply 55 | August 27, 2018 4:24 AM |
Looking at these pictures of them smiling I truly hope that none of them ever see the light of day.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | August 27, 2018 4:27 AM |
Scary. Dr. Durvasula explains psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists in plain but very scary terms.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 57 | August 27, 2018 4:28 AM |
Great video R57. Thanks for posting this.
| by Anonymous | reply 58 | August 27, 2018 4:43 AM |
R55. Yes, even Vincent Bugliosi, the DA, characterized Linda Kasabianas the only one of the bunch who actually had a conscience. Most depictions have cast her as a spaced out hippy-chick who didn't fully grasp what was about to go down (the main reason she went was to drive the getaway car, as she was apparently the only one with a valid California drivers license), and she was genuinely horrorfied when the killing began. Definitely not a girl scout, but not a homicidal psychopath either.
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | August 27, 2018 4:58 AM |
I never understood how or why Didion, a journalist, got involved in buying clothes for Kasabian.
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | August 27, 2018 9:56 AM |
R52, interesting. I always wondered how he reacted because he never seemed all that upset to me.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | August 27, 2018 10:24 AM |
R59 If Kasabian was willing to take her little daughter and go live with someone like Manson, then, no, she was no Girl Scout.
She did telling Manson, "I'm not like you, I can't just kill people" but then again she was willing act as lookout. But if it weren't for Kasabian I don't know that they would've been able to stop this group or prosecute them.
They are all responsible for what they did. If they all refused Manson was too much of a coward to do anything about it. I think I read in 'Helter Skelter' that someone was either interviewing or interrogating Manson and he physically charged them and the person showed no fear Manson literally jumped back, as if he had acid thrown on him. I guess Manson's kryptonite was not being able to provoke fear in people.
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | August 27, 2018 3:50 PM |
This is probably common knowledge by now but it is strongly believed that Doris Day's son, Terry Melcher, was Manson's intended victim that night. Melcher had lived at the house shortly before Tate and Polanski moved in and Melcher was a music label executive who had rejected Manson's demo tapes.
Too bad Axl Rose wasn't a music label executive back then, as he saw fit to include one of Manson's songs on a GNR album. Scumbag.
| by Anonymous | reply 63 | August 27, 2018 3:52 PM |
R22, I remember reading that Krenwinkel stabbed Folger in excess of 20 times, although I believe Watson sealed the deal. She also helped stab Rosemary LaBianca, and left a pitchfork lodged in Leno LaBianca's torso. She did the blood writing on the walls at the LaBianca residence too. She was the only Manson girl to be present and active at both sites of murder.
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | August 27, 2018 6:46 PM |
Why was a C-section performed on Sharon, did they think there was a chance of saving her unborn son?
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | August 27, 2018 8:19 PM |
No R165 it was part of the post mortem.
| by Anonymous | reply 66 | August 27, 2018 8:47 PM |
Masa Ian went back to her husband in AZ at one point and left her kid behind at the ranch.
| by Anonymous | reply 67 | August 27, 2018 9:38 PM |
Yes, that's true, R63, and one further tidbit, Melcher's girlfriend at the time, with whom he was shacked up at Celio Drive house was "Murphy Brown", herself, Candice Bergen.
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | August 28, 2018 2:02 AM |
Candy has never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever talked about the Manson killings
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | August 28, 2018 2:06 AM |
R70 why should she? Melcher and her dodged a bullet (and knives for that matter). She probably doesn’t have much insight into the killings. What happened between Melcher and Manson is well documented anyway.
| by Anonymous | reply 71 | August 28, 2018 2:11 AM |
Thanks for confirming R63.
Neither Melcher or Bergen have ever talked about the murders. Nor has Jane Fonda, who was at the party that night.
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | August 28, 2018 2:11 AM |
So they could be buried together R65, the child had already died.
| by Anonymous | reply 73 | August 28, 2018 2:12 AM |
Now I've got the chills R33.
I'm so glad Atkinson was never granted a compassionate release as she requested when she became aged and sick. That pig didn't deserve anyone's compassion.
May none of them ever get out.
| by Anonymous | reply 74 | August 28, 2018 2:14 AM |
A moment of reflection for poor Steve Parent. The very first victim that night.
| by Anonymous | reply 75 | August 28, 2018 2:15 AM |
Sharon's poor family. You have to give the Tate women credit. They showed up and faced down these psychopaths and just busted their asses at every parole hearing using the truth to keep these ultimate creeps in the jail cells that they belong in. The Tate women are tough. It must have been so hard to devote that diligence. Polanski ...Sharon died with Jay Sebring, the man who loved her. He died fighting for her life.
| by Anonymous | reply 78 | August 28, 2018 2:30 AM |
There was no party there that night, R72. Jane Fonda wasn’t there, the only people who were there apart from William Garretson - the caretaker - were killed.
| by Anonymous | reply 79 | August 28, 2018 2:34 AM |
I'm R76. I thought this was an interesting thread. R77 has creeped me out. I need to read o up on this.
| by Anonymous | reply 80 | August 28, 2018 2:51 AM |
I agree R78
A good thread, but a sad one R76
| by Anonymous | reply 81 | August 28, 2018 2:52 AM |
Whether or not Candice Bergen ever spoke of her once-removed connection to the Manson Family, it must be sooo creepy for her to even contemplate, even now, 50 years later. Imagine knowing that you came that close to something so evil! As I recall, she and Melcher broke up earlier in 1969, which is why they moved out of that house.
| by Anonymous | reply 82 | August 28, 2018 3:03 AM |
Ever see interviews with Susan Atkins in prison? She would talk with such a soft, little girl voice. It was gross, such an obvious attempt at manipulation. I can't watch the whole video right now, but in the comments some note that she does not say she is sorry, that she is born-again, blah blah blah. Again, gross.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 83 | August 28, 2018 3:04 AM |
r33 Uh.. I recall Susan saying that Sharon wouldn't stop begging for her baby's life the entire time and Susan was getting sick of her, telling her to shut up and that she sounded like "an IBM machine".
| by Anonymous | reply 84 | August 28, 2018 3:15 AM |
Agree R83.
I believe it R84. IBM machine? Yep, Atkinson was simply a psychopath.
Again, very happy she never received a compassionate release. None of them and no one who falls into the same category as them ever should.
| by Anonymous | reply 85 | August 28, 2018 4:44 AM |
I wonder if any of them would have been good on DWTS.
| by Anonymous | reply 86 | August 28, 2018 4:53 AM |
R86, both Leslie and Pat would be great at re-enacting the newest dance craze, the stabby-stabby!
| by Anonymous | reply 87 | August 28, 2018 4:58 AM |
R86 Oh!! Good discussion! But, let's all wonder what each of them would do once they got voted off!!!
Who wants to start?
| by Anonymous | reply 88 | August 28, 2018 4:59 AM |
Weren't there a lot of rumors about the estate's young caretaker, who was staying in the guesthouse behind the main house? Not that he participated but that he changed his story about what about what he actually saw and heard over the years. He was the only survivor.
| by Anonymous | reply 89 | August 28, 2018 4:59 AM |
R78, Sharon Tate's sister has always been very supportive of Polanski. Jay Sebring was the first to be attacked and killed, before Tate was attacked, so it's not clear how he would have fought for her life.
| by Anonymous | reply 90 | August 28, 2018 5:26 AM |
R89 No, nothing like that
| by Anonymous | reply 91 | August 28, 2018 6:01 AM |
So he didn't tell the police he heard and saw nothing because he had his stereo on but in much later interviews with the press he didn't say he heard gunshots and screams and and saw a man kneeling over someone in the yard and heard someone rattling the doorknob of the guest house trying to get in?
OK.
| by Anonymous | reply 92 | August 28, 2018 6:55 AM |
Punctuation, R92. A comma or period here and there.
| by Anonymous | reply 93 | August 28, 2018 7:37 AM |
So he didn't initially tell the police he heard and saw nothing because he had his stereo on?
But in much later interviews with the press he didn't say he heard gunshots and screams?
And saw a man kneeling over someone in the yard and someone chasing someone past the guest house?
And got really scared when someone rattled the doorknob of the guest house trying to get in and he hid in a storage place?
OK.
| by Anonymous | reply 94 | August 28, 2018 8:19 AM |
I'll add that the caretaker was William Garretson, then 19 years old. The first victim was found in a car in the driveway near the estate's entrance, cut and then shot dead. He had been visiting Garretson.
The police found Garretson in the guest house the next at morning, took him into custody and held him for two days. During that time, he claimed he heard and saw nothing because he had his stereo on. He did not testify to have been using headphones, as often reported.
He passed a lie detector test and was in custody when the LaBianco murders occurred, so he was released.
But years later, he gave very different accounts to the press about what he had actually seen and heard.
| by Anonymous | reply 95 | August 28, 2018 8:43 AM |
I'm down the rabbit hole. I watched Atkins full interview. Not once does she say " I did it and I'm sorry". She minimizes her behavior, blames Tex and drugs, deflects. Horrible human.
| by Anonymous | reply 96 | August 28, 2018 8:47 AM |
From Wikipedia:
[quote]William Garretson, once the young caretaker at 10050 Cielo Drive, indicated in a program (The Last Days of Sharon Tate) broadcast on July 25, 1999 on E!, that he had, in fact, seen and heard a portion of the Tate murders from his location in the property's guest house. This corroborated the unofficial results of the polygraph examination that had been given to Garretson on August 10, 1969, and that had effectively eliminated him as a suspect. The LAPD officer who conducted the examination had concluded Garretson was "clean" on participation in the crimes but "muddy" as to his having heard anything.[5]:28–38 Garretson did not explain why he had withheld his knowledge of the events.
If I had been Garretson, then 19 years old, taken into custody for two days on suspicion of the murders but released, while The Family was still out there (even committing later murders), I would have kept my mouth shut too.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 97 | August 28, 2018 9:34 AM |
Exactly, r97, especially if you're not really sure about what you had heard/seen.
| by Anonymous | reply 98 | August 28, 2018 9:39 AM |
I read somewhere that Steven Parent wasn't there to sell Garretson a clock radio, as the official report stated, but that it was actually a hook-up. If Garretson was having boys over to play, yet another reason not to confess the whole truth about anything to the cops.
| by Anonymous | reply 99 | August 28, 2018 10:32 AM |
Everyone even remotely interested in The Manson Murders and Family should read Helter Skelter. It is the definitive account of what is the most fascinating crime story of the 20th Century. Sorry OJ. Not to sound like Stefan, but this book has everything- a scary cult, an insane cult leader, movie stars, rock stars, legal thrills... it’s a MUST.
| by Anonymous | reply 100 | August 28, 2018 11:06 AM |
Tonight, on Celebrity Big Brother UK The Mansons
| by Anonymous | reply 101 | August 28, 2018 11:38 AM |
I would say this documentary makes the most sense as to why the murders occurred. It really maps out the entire chain of events. It goes into things I was not even aware of like the drug deal Tex was trying pull off with Bernard Crow.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 102 | August 28, 2018 11:44 AM |
R84
I still must have had the headlock on Sharon when Tex came back. And he told me it looked like she wanted to sit down.
So I took her over and sat her down on the couch. She said: “All I want to do is have my baby.”
I knew I had to say something to her. before she got hysterical. And while I was talking to her, I knew everything I was saying—I was saying to myself. I wasn’t talking to her, but myself.
“Woman, I have no mercy for you,” I told her, and that was myself talking only to me.
Then the Folger girl started staggering outside, and Tex and Katie went after her. But I’m not sure that Katie went outside, either.
[html removed]I just stayed there with Sharon. She was so quiet.[html removed] And Tex came back in and said:
“Kill her.” Just like that he said, “Kill her.”
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 103 | August 28, 2018 4:01 PM |
I stumbled across a documentary on this on Hulu just last night. It's called Truth and Lies: the Family Manson and is very good. They have video of Susan Atkins at one of her parole hearings actually apologizing, but Sharon's mother was having none of it. Atkins, to me, always seemed like she would have ended up a serial killer no matter who she had hooked up with. And Squeaky is still out there as far as I know. She was paroled and moved to somewhere in New York and never renounced Manson.
| by Anonymous | reply 104 | August 28, 2018 4:15 PM |
They should all rot in prison
| by Anonymous | reply 105 | August 28, 2018 4:23 PM |
R99 Steve Parent was known to be, literally, an electronics genius. Parent may have used the radio he put together and wanted the other guy to take a look at as an excuse to "hook up". If he did, he did. That has never been confirmed. Regardless, Parent didn't sell the radio or get his "hook up" he instead came face-to-face with Tex I-have-now-found-Jesus Watson that night.
Poor young man. Maybe if he had "hooked up" he wouldn't have been leaving the property when he did and maybe he could have survived that night.
May they all join their exalted leader "Charlie" in hell.
| by Anonymous | reply 106 | August 28, 2018 4:28 PM |
R101 Could you record that for me and then send it to me?
Should be interesting.
| by Anonymous | reply 107 | August 28, 2018 4:32 PM |
[quote] What mental illness(es) would they be diagnosed with?
Poor judgment.
| by Anonymous | reply 108 | August 28, 2018 4:38 PM |
[quote] Everyone even remotely interested in The Manson Murders and Family should read Helter Skelter. It is the definitive account of what is the most fascinating crime story of the 20th Century.
*ahem*
| by Anonymous | reply 109 | August 28, 2018 4:40 PM |
Building on r54, there were no cellphones back in the 70s, r18. Back then, people actually held other things in their hands, and looked down at them.
| by Anonymous | reply 110 | August 28, 2018 4:41 PM |
Ok I went down the rabbit hole. I watched video last night of the Lobianos daughter pleading for Tex's pardon. She read from a paper about how he's a super good Christian now. She had problems reading, like illiteracy issues. So freaking strange.
| by Anonymous | reply 111 | August 28, 2018 4:58 PM |
R111 Watching those types of things are bad for the brain.
Sorry Lobiano's daughter, ole born again Tex is going to rot in prison.
| by Anonymous | reply 112 | August 28, 2018 5:42 PM |
No, R105, they should have all died in the gas chamber 45 years ago.
| by Anonymous | reply 113 | August 28, 2018 6:01 PM |
I’ve heard that Manson knew Melcher didn’t live at Cielo anymore. Rudy Altobelli saw Manson coming up the driveway & he asked for Melcher. Altobelli told him Melcher no longer lived there, now get the hell outta here. Some people say Manson was after Altobelli, to pay him back for being rude to him.
[quote] In August 1969, Manson handed Watson a gun and a knife. “He said for me to take the gun and knife and go up to where Terry Melcher used to live,” Watson testified. “He said to kill everybody in the house as gruesome as I could. I believe he said something about movie stars living there.” There was a secondary motive for the Tate murders, Bugliosi wrote in “Helter Skelter”: “As Susan Atkins put it ... ‘The reason Charlie picked that house was to instill fear into Terry Melcher because Terry had given us his word on a few things and never came through with them.’ But this was obviously not the primary motive, since ... Manson knew that Melcher was no longer living at the [house].”
| by Anonymous | reply 114 | August 28, 2018 7:13 PM |
From Melcher’s obituary
Terry Melcher.....was briefly convinced that he had been Charles Manson's intended murder victim at 10050 Cielo Drive, Los Angeles, in 1969........Melcher was the most frightened of the witnesses at the trial, even though Bugliosi assured him that " Manson knew you were no longer living there".
| by Anonymous | reply 115 | August 28, 2018 7:24 PM |
r112 I've always found it odd jailhouse Christians never, ever say 'I did something horrible and deserve to serve out my sentence'. If you're truly repentant wouldn't you want to accept your punishment?
At least the Tate family has never fallen for these bullshit apologies.
| by Anonymous | reply 116 | August 28, 2018 9:55 PM |
This is a very good thread all about the mason murders. Goes into the connection between Tex and the Labianca's oldest daughter as well steve parent being gay.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 117 | August 28, 2018 10:10 PM |
No discussion of the Manson murders is complete without discussing Bobby Beausoleil. A singer and actor, far more handsome than Charlie, Bobby was an equal or superior draw for women. Bobby brought his own girls to the Manson Family. He and Charlie were constant rivals. Charlie was jealous of Bobby's attractiveness.
Bobby killed a drug dealer. Whether the dealer stole drugs from them or was supposed to get them drugs, I don't remember. Anyway, Bobby killed the guy and then he and the girls who were with him painted what would become their signature shit on the walls in blood to make it look all crazy. Bobby was immediately caught and charged. He was awaiting trial in jail.
Rather than the "Helter Skelter" race war theory, which played well to the jury but was a peripheral issue, Tate and LaBianca were copycat killings to get Bobby out. Getting him out would also leave Charlie in the dominant position within the Family. At one point Truman Capote interviewed Bobby and published it in "Music for Chameleons". Beausoleil has been denied parole many times. He is up again in September.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 118 | August 29, 2018 12:26 AM |
These monsters had agency. They made their own horrific decisions. They weren't "vulnerable" and "manipulated" It wasn't a "man's" fault" or responsibility these bitches did what they did.
| by Anonymous | reply 119 | August 29, 2018 1:06 AM |
Bobby Beausoleil also appeared in a soft ore porn film, as well as in “Mondo Hollywood,” a documentary about the Hollywood wild life that also featured Jay Sebring.
The notion that the Tate/LaBianca murders were copycats to make Beausoleil look innocent is mostly discredited these days. Beausoleil was only arrested for Gary Hinman’s death two days before the Tate killings, which Manson was already planning. The Hinman/Tate/LaBianca murders were all part of “Heller Skelter,” Manson’s racy race-war idea.
Beausoleil left a palm print in Hinman’s blood at the murder scene, which was incredibly stupid, and was discovered by the cops asleep in Hinman’s VW. I think Manson viewed him as more of a liability who was better off in jail (and prison, although Bobby wasn’t tried and convicted till four months after Manson and the girls were arrested).
| by Anonymous | reply 120 | August 29, 2018 1:07 AM |
Some of the Manson family members and acquaintances did NOT do what Charlie wanted them to do, that is, kill people in particularly gruesome ways. Some of them did. It's been determined that the Family members who committed or tried to commit murder (s) had something really wrong with them before they ever met Manson. In "Helter Skelter" it was described as "some inner flaw. Apart from Charlie." All of them were VERY disturbed even before hooking up with Manson. I don't believe any of the Manson family who are still in jail ever had any remorse. They pretend to have it so they can get out of jail. But they're still the same. Sociopaths don't change. They can't.
| by Anonymous | reply 121 | August 29, 2018 1:19 AM |
I don't think that is a cellphone R18. She is too young in that pic for there to be cellphones yet. They were not on the market until 1983 and they were really big. I think that is a beeper she is holding.
| by Anonymous | reply 122 | August 29, 2018 1:37 AM |
[quote]and left a pitchfork lodged in Leno LaBianca's torso
Carving fork, like for a turkey. Not pitchfork.
| by Anonymous | reply 123 | August 29, 2018 1:53 AM |
Writer Claire V. Watkins is the daughter of Manson Family member Paul Watkins. I really enjoyed her book of short stories called Battle-born. Just some Manson Family trivia.
| by Anonymous | reply 124 | August 29, 2018 2:46 AM |
Manson and co. knew that Melcher no longer lived at Cielo. They had been informed that Roman and Sharon lived there, but were told that both were in Europe. They were surprised when they got there and saw Sharon.
| by Anonymous | reply 125 | August 29, 2018 3:03 AM |
R119 AMEN!!!!
Sorry girls, Linda Kasabian ruins your whole, "It was all that awful man's fault, it was all Charlie's fault" defense.
| by Anonymous | reply 126 | August 29, 2018 3:10 AM |
Didn’t some famous psychiatrist or psychologist say that with or without Manson, these girls (I think it was plural, but maybe it was just one?) meaning Atkins, Van Houten, and Krenwinckle would have wound up as killers anyway? Ugh! I’m drawing a blank on the details as in did he interview them or was this based on observations. I just remember it was a compelling interview and adamant he was about this fact, how they will show true remorse.
Ring any bells with anyone??
| by Anonymous | reply 127 | August 29, 2018 3:11 AM |
R127 I do remember a psychologist saying that Van Houten had a "princess complex" and an enormous sense of entitlement and that she became violent if she didn't get her way.
I can believe they all had the killer instinct lurking within them.
| by Anonymous | reply 128 | August 29, 2018 3:23 AM |
There should be an all gay version of the Manson Family minus the killing. I can think of several gay celebs who might have the Charlie inside of them.
| by Anonymous | reply 129 | August 29, 2018 3:30 AM |
R127, there was a book by a psychologist or criminologist that argued that although female sociopaths and psychopaths exist, they rarely become killers or multiple killers on their own.
What's more common is that if they meet a male psychopath, they become part of a killer couple, or in the case of the Manson family, a killer team.
| by Anonymous | reply 130 | August 29, 2018 4:44 AM |
I think it was a Fiat, not a VW.
| by Anonymous | reply 131 | August 29, 2018 6:36 AM |
Women don't usually kill strangers unless they do it with someone else. They have no problem killing people they know by themselves.
| by Anonymous | reply 132 | August 29, 2018 6:42 AM |
You might find the Family Murders of interest r129. The defacto leader of that little clan had a much classier moniker: Bevan Spencer von Einem
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 134 | August 29, 2018 5:05 PM |
[quote] . I think Manson viewed him as more of a liability who was better off in jail (and prison,
No he didn’t. Not only did Beausoliel bring girls to Charlie, he had Hollywood contacts and what Charlie wanted more than anything was to be the top drug dealer to the stars. Easy money, easy sex, easy life. Pic Dawson was a major drug dealer to famous musicians and he wound up living with Mama Cass. Nice life.
Charles Manson was a gang leader. He needed men to do the heavy work of stealing cars, dissembling them and selling parts. Charlie was into drugs, prostitution, theft, he ran a stolen car ring and he killed other drug dealers. He told the gang to kill Hinman, he thought he’d killed Lotsapoppa when he shot him and there were all kinds of unusual deaths in CA and AZ that cops later thought could be tied to Manson. Manson was a 1960s gang leader who smartly used the look & language of the hippie scene. But he wasn’t nearly as smart as he thought he was.
I think he would have eventually killed Watson once he wasn’t of use to him. But he wanted beausoliel out of prison because of Beausoleil’s burgeoning ties to Hollywood. Charlie was short and dirty looking. Beausoliel was good looking and fit in with the Hollywood scene more than Manson did. Beausoliel was in the same movie Jay Sebring was in. Even if their movie scenes had nothing to do with each other, the very presence of Beausoleil in the film shows Bobby was reaching the level of Jay Sebring in terms of who he was coming in contact with in the drug/indie scene.
Beausoleil still is adamant that Manson didn’t tell him to kill Hinman; that he did it because he owed money to the bikers involved in their stolen car ring at Spahn and when he couldn’t get the money, he would let them know he killed Hinman because of it. After all these years, why would Beausoleil still be loyal to Manson, pretending Manson didn’t tell him to kill Hinman if Manson did tell him? He says he didn’t go to Hinman’s house to kill him or he wouldn’t have taken the girls with him. They’re all amoral nuts, all of these people, but Beausoleil has nothing to gain by saying Charlie didn’t tell him to kill Hinman.
| by Anonymous | reply 135 | August 29, 2018 5:44 PM |
Beausoleil has changed his story a number of times. The most frequently told version of what happened with Hinman is that Manson was increasingly on edge after he thought he had shot Lotsapoppa to death, and wanted money to get out to the Barker Ranch in Death Valley to escape what he thought would be a revenge attack from the Black Panthers, with whom he was paranoiacally obsessed. Lotsapoppa wasn't in the Panthers, he was just an LA drug dealer, but anyway.
A number of the Family have said that Manson put pressure on them to come up with money, fast. Beausoleil knew Gary Hinman from the Topanga music scene and had crashed at his house. According to the varying accounts, either a) Beausoleil believed -wrongly - that Hinman has some inheritance and told Manson about that. Manson said to go and get that from him, or, b) Hinman supplied Beausoleil with a batch of bad amphetamine which Beausoleil sold to the Straight Satan biker gang that hung out at Spahn (to fuck the girls, get drunk and supply Manson with stolen cars parts), who then demanded their money back, which Hinman then refused to give Bobby or c) Manson had visited Hinman soon before his murder and put pressure on him to hand over his home, vehicles and anything else of value and to join the Family, which Gary refused to do - he let some of them crash at his sometimes and play music but that was all the involvement he wanted, he has saved up to go to Japan to do a Buddism retreat. In the c) version of events, Manson was furious that Hinman refused to join the Family and told Bobby to just go and get whatever money he could from Gary. In the end, after locking him in his house and threatening him with Bruce Davis' gun and beating him for two days, Bobby had to phone Manson and say Gary was refusing to hand over any cash, saying he had none of give. Manson and David arrived, David took his gun back, Manson slashed Gary's face with a cutlass type weapon, and they left him to be smothered and stabbed to death by Bobby, Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins. One weird detail about the Hinman case is that a friend of his phoned his house while he was being held captive and a girl answered to say Gary was at his parents' house. The girl had an English accent. Either Mary or Susan had faked that, presumably.
Also, re: Beausoleil. He is a psychopath. He married in jail - she died of cancer recently. But for years he had a strange prison business going, where he would take orders for 'speciality paintings' and sell them. These were all of children being spanked. The prison found out and searched correspondence between Beausoleil and his network of customers. These were pedophiles, and one had written to Bobby that they intended to kidnap a child, which Bobby of course did not report. That was the end of his 'speciality' painting business. He will die in jail, and deserves to.
| by Anonymous | reply 136 | August 29, 2018 6:13 PM |
"Van Houten was vain and shallow, from a solid middle-class background."
That was the façade. No one would leave a truly "Leave It To Beaver" household to become a transient. Something happened to her there that created rage.
And remember: neglect creates narcissism.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 137 | August 29, 2018 6:20 PM |
[quote]Manson and co. knew that Melcher no longer lived at Cielo. They had been informed that Roman and Sharon lived there, but were told that both were in Europe. They were surprised when they got there and saw Sharon.
The fact is that Tex Watson had visited Cielo Drive a number of times with Terry Melcher, to whom Watson dealt drugs. Watson did not live 'full time' with the Family. He was a mid-ranking LA drug dealer, who had a place of his own in Malibu at one point. When he ran out of money and got evicted he ended up living at Dennis Wilson's place. Watson and Dean Morehouse, Ruthann's pedophile father and itinerant preacher, had set himself up as Dennis' in house onsite guru and gardener. Watson helped out with the grounds. They both met Melcher via Wilson. Watson and Morehouse then lived in a tent together at Spahn ranch, on ground away from the Family. There are reports that state Morehouse and Watson actually lived at Cielo Drive while Melcher was away. Some of the girls -IIRC, Gypsy and Squeaky - are reported to have visited them there and swum in the pool. He certainly was taken there by Melcher and Wilson, he knew the layout of the house. He later became engaged, and lived in LA with his fiancee. It's important to understand that Melcher and Wilson were terrified of Manson after the killings and tried very hard to hide how close they had been to Watson, Morehouse, and indeed, Manson - Melcher fucked Ruthann (Dean's daughter) multiple times, when she was just 15, 16 - this was when he was living with Candy Bergen.
| by Anonymous | reply 138 | August 29, 2018 6:30 PM |
[quote]The Manson Girls
To be honest, weren't they more The Manson Skanks?
| by Anonymous | reply 139 | August 29, 2018 6:34 PM |
Drug induced psychosis with personality disorder of no specific type.
| by Anonymous | reply 140 | August 29, 2018 6:37 PM |
Manson saw Tate at Cielo Drive when he went to find Melcher. She asked Rudy on a flight they took together soon afterwards if 'that creepy guy' had come back to the house. It's not clear if Manson knew Tate was at Cielo that night or not. And it's irrelevant. He told Watson to 'kill everyone there', i.e., if Tate is there, kill her.
Manson and one other person - probably Bruce Davis - visited Cielo Drive a few hours after the killings, while it was still dark. He moved Roman's trunks which had been sent on from London, and he left a pair of eye glasses at the scene, to misdirect detectives. It's possible he moved the bodies too.
| by Anonymous | reply 141 | August 29, 2018 6:38 PM |
One of Bobby's child spanking paintings
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 142 | August 29, 2018 6:42 PM |
Interesting,stuff, R141, is this case a hobby of yours?
| by Anonymous | reply 143 | August 29, 2018 6:43 PM |
OK I've been down the rabbit hole. Tex Watson, the info about him dealing was good. Wikipedia says nothing about how he met Manson and why he killed 8 people. Any more biographical info? Thanks. This thread is amazing.
| by Anonymous | reply 145 | August 29, 2018 6:50 PM |
I think this story was in "Helter Skelter."
The Family did a lot of hitch hiking all over S California. Susan Atkins and a friend were picked up by a minor Middle Eastern actor at one point and as usual repaid the guy by going home with him and fucking him. After several days, she went back to the apartment complex looking to possibly steal from him and had trouble finding his apartment. Frustrated about the fruitless trip, Susan decided to leave a huge dump in front of his door. As it turned out, she had chosen the wrong apartment and the unaware tenants found the stinking mess as they opened their door.
| by Anonymous | reply 146 | August 29, 2018 7:13 PM |
Stormy Daniels looks eerily like Sharon.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 147 | August 29, 2018 7:16 PM |
R147
PEARL VISION is having a special on eye exams. Check 'em out.
| by Anonymous | reply 148 | August 29, 2018 7:55 PM |
r147 if by "eerily" you mean nothing at all.
| by Anonymous | reply 149 | August 29, 2018 9:07 PM |
Dennis Wilson was also entranced by the plethora of "easy" Manson Family girls who would fuck anyone. I think he also picked some of them up whilst they hitch hiked and he wound up with a house full of freeloaders who, in the end, cost him a fortune before all was said and done. He moved on to Christine McVie and was with her (I think) when he went down and never came back up again.
He got the looks in that family.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 151 | August 29, 2018 9:42 PM |
Dennis Wilson stole one of Manson's songs. The other beach boy's didn't know.
"The Beach Boys‘ Dennis Wilson inadvertently puts Charles Manson on a path to Helter Skelter in this two-minute excerpt from the two-hour documentary Truth and Lies: The Family Manson, which airs Friday night on ABC.
The clip focuses on how Wilson, an associate of Manson’s, took one of Manson’s songs (“Cease to Exist”) and turned it into the Beach Boys composition “Never Learn Not to Love,” with Wilson giving himself full songwriting credit for the track."
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 152 | August 29, 2018 10:36 PM |
You can't say he didn't have talent. Had he ever had the presence of mind to sign a contract he could have at least been a middling success back then.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 153 | August 29, 2018 10:39 PM |
The Beach Boys were musical geniuses. I wouldn't take Charlie's word that they stole anything from him. If anything, Charlie probably stole his music from the kids around him.
| by Anonymous | reply 154 | August 29, 2018 10:41 PM |
Atkins almost certainly is sociopathic and likely would have killed without Manson. The other two I'm not as sure of; but the fact remains they did kill, and horrifically. They were extraordinarily lucky they missed out on the death penalty, but instead they got the worst thing the state could throw at them (life without parole), but they deserved it--these were some of the most horrific crimes ever.
| by Anonymous | reply 155 | August 29, 2018 10:45 PM |
No it's a fact corroborated by the beach boys. r154
| by Anonymous | reply 156 | August 29, 2018 10:45 PM |
Dennis wasn't the musical genius in that family.
| by Anonymous | reply 157 | August 29, 2018 10:45 PM |
There is an article explaining it at the link in r152
| by Anonymous | reply 158 | August 29, 2018 10:47 PM |
No, R157, but the Beach Boys as a band were geniuses. The actual musical genius was Brian.
Dennis was the beauty.
| by Anonymous | reply 159 | August 29, 2018 10:57 PM |
They were microdosing with LSD. In small doses, LSD can make a person impressionable and vulnerable to mind control. This was the basis of the CIA’s MKULTRA mind contol experiments.
| by Anonymous | reply 160 | August 29, 2018 11:13 PM |
Get that mkultra bullshit out of here, Roseanne, you're fucking insane.
| by Anonymous | reply 161 | August 29, 2018 11:18 PM |
R162 Sigh. No. The Washington Post reported on it extensively in 1977. Roseanne is insane and has somehow decided MKULTRA was Nazis and Hillary Clinton is a Nazi and Trump is a Nazi killer. That is insane. A different kind of insane is that the federal government did experiment on unwitting people in hospitals to try to create dissociative personalities and “program” people. It’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s just history.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 162 | August 29, 2018 11:22 PM |
"You can't say he didn't have talent."
I most certainly can. Manson had no talent. He wasn't even capable of "middling" success. If had HAD talent, Terry Melcher would have probably helped him get a record deal. By the way, Melcher claimed never to have fucked any of of the Manson girls. He claimed he tried to assist The Family because of the children he'd seen among them. He said it really got to him, these children who had to "eat out of garbage cans" because of their living situation with all the dirty, druggie hippies. When questioned by the police the cops implied to Melcher that maybe he was interested in The Family in order to fuck all those willing young girls. Melcher said he showed them pictures of some of his girlfriends, "real beauties" all of them, and he said to them with women like that to go to bed with why would he want "Manson's clap-ridden, unwashed dogs?'
| by Anonymous | reply 166 | August 29, 2018 11:40 PM |
He had a point, R166, if you're fucking Candice Bergen would you even look at a Manson skank?
| by Anonymous | reply 167 | August 29, 2018 11:44 PM |
R155
No, they got the death penalty. They lucked out that the death penalty was overturned in California a year or two later hence their sentences were changed to life without parole.
| by Anonymous | reply 168 | August 30, 2018 2:30 AM |
No -- it changed to a life sentence, which is why the surviving Tates had to endure parole hearings every two years.
| by Anonymous | reply 169 | August 30, 2018 2:49 AM |
I thought that Vincent Bugliosi was extremely DILFish. Just my type in that Ed Harris way. Yum.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 170 | August 30, 2018 3:39 AM |
R166 He did record tracks with Melcher. Where do you think the recording at r153 came from? Manson would not sign any contracts though, so they couldn't release it.
| by Anonymous | reply 171 | August 30, 2018 3:50 AM |
[quote]By the way, Melcher claimed never to have fucked any of of the Manson girls.
Yeah well Ruthann was a minor when he was fucking her, so he wasn't going to announce that fact to the cops, was he.
| by Anonymous | reply 172 | August 30, 2018 8:31 AM |
Susan Atkins was the biggest slut. She brought back a terrible case of the clap that ended up infecting the whole Family.
| by Anonymous | reply 173 | August 30, 2018 4:17 PM |
BTW, did Angela Lansbury's daughter Deirdre ever open up about her time wth the family?
| by Anonymous | reply 174 | August 30, 2018 4:18 PM |
Didn't they get a Grammy nomination for best new artist?
| by Anonymous | reply 175 | August 30, 2018 5:32 PM |
All of their childhoods combined don't compare to what Polanski went through as a child. Then Sharon and the baby. It's amazing the guy is not in a mental institution.
| by Anonymous | reply 176 | August 30, 2018 6:09 PM |
R176 Or jail, where he should be, for raping a 13 yr old in every possible way.
| by Anonymous | reply 177 | August 30, 2018 6:18 PM |
Let Susan Atkins out already.
| by Anonymous | reply 178 | August 30, 2018 6:20 PM |
Blame the judicial system that made a deal with him in the first place, R177.
| by Anonymous | reply 179 | August 30, 2018 6:22 PM |
[quote] . . . even Vincent Bugliosi, the DA, characterized Linda Kasabianas the only one of the bunch who actually had a conscience.
Which is exactly what you'd want the public and jury to believe about your snitch. I never bought that. Bugliosi has never been the most honest person when it comes to this case. He was a typical prosecutor massaging the facts to fit his narrative - the narrative that smoothly puts all the facts he had and was willing to use into a cohesive story that sells. Mostly to the jury.
| by Anonymous | reply 180 | August 30, 2018 6:23 PM |
Those girls were under the influence of a charismatic madman, and drugs he provided. They belonged in prison for a long time, but enough is enough. It's absurd for them to still be locked up 50 years later for something they did at the age of 18, under the influence of Manson. Anyone who committed the same crimes at the same time minus the notoriety would've been released in 1985. They're political prisoners at this point.
| by Anonymous | reply 181 | August 30, 2018 6:52 PM |
[quote]. . . even Vincent Bugliosi, the DA, characterized Linda Kasabianas the only one of the bunch who actually had a conscience.
A number of the Family had consciences. For example despite her young age (14 when Manson met and raped her) , absent parents (they lived on a commune) and the fact that Manson repeatedly beat her, Diane 'Snake' Lake gave plenty of incriminating evidence against Manson to the prosecutors. She had to be institutionalised for 6 months in a psychiatric hospital to recover from her trauma-induced psychosis.
Barbara Hoyt, who died recently, had a conscience. She and Sherry Cooper escaped Manson in Death Valley after Hoyt heard Atkins tell Ruthann Morehouse that he had killed Sharon Tate, they walked across desert with no money to get away. Manson wanted Barbara dead. She testified against him in the trial after he had Ruthann try and kill Barbara by lacing a hamburger with ten tabs of acid in Hawaii.
There were others too who were not willing to commit violence for Manson, like Brooks Poston, who quit the Family despite many threats to his life. He's very interesting. Before he joined the Family he actually spent time with the Peoples Temple when they were based in Ukiah. He is probably the only person who can say they spent time with both Rev Jim Jones AND Charles Manson.
| by Anonymous | reply 182 | August 30, 2018 7:22 PM |
"He did record tracks with Melcher. Where do you think the recording at [R153] came from? Manson would not sign any contracts though, so they couldn't release it."
Maybe he did, but Melcher always knew Manson was just some crazy hippie with no talent. According the Melcher, his assistance to the Manson family came from a desire to do something for the poor impoverished Manson family children. Also from fear. Manson was a pretty scary guy. And I don't think he fucked Ruth Moorehouse. I don't think he fucked any of the dirty Manson girls. I can see Dennis WIlson fucking them. He'd fuck anything. But I think Melcher preferred better sex partners than the nasty Manson women.
| by Anonymous | reply 183 | August 30, 2018 8:43 PM |
From what I've read, Manson had a couple of chances to record in a professional studio (via Melcher and Wilson's influence), but he fucked them up because he wouldn't let anybody tell him what to do, even though the sound engineers were just trying to teach him about the recording equipment.
He may have had a spark of talent, but his psychosis pissed all over it.
| by Anonymous | reply 184 | August 30, 2018 9:03 PM |
R184, that sounds exactly how trump would have behaved. And sorry to bring darkness to this conversation by mentioning trump.
| by Anonymous | reply 185 | August 30, 2018 11:22 PM |
[quote] Let Susan Atkins out already.
Ummm, hon? First you would have to resurrect her from the dead.
| by Anonymous | reply 186 | August 30, 2018 11:23 PM |
[quote] Those girls were under the influence of a charismatic madman, and drugs he provided.
Meh. They made choices.
[quote] They belonged in prison for a long time, but enough is enough.
Wasn't their original sentence the death penalty?
[quote] It's absurd for them to still be locked up 50 years later
In the judgment of the community they are serving a life sentence. That's a gift after the death penalty was taken away.
[quote] for something they did at the age of 18,
Meh. They made choices.
[quote] under the influence of Manson.
Charlie didn't kill those people, Tex and the women killed those people.
[quote] Anyone who committed the same crimes at the same time minus the notoriety would've been released in 1985.
No, they would have been electrocuted.
[quote] They're political prisoners at this point.
They're murderers, drug dealers, hookers, thieves, rapists, liars and cons. There's nothing political about who they are or what they did. They committed multiple homicides and they will die in jail, just like Charlie. They don't deserve a get out of jail pass just because they have vaginas.
| by Anonymous | reply 187 | August 30, 2018 11:44 PM |
"I can see Dennis Wilson fucking them. He'd fuck anything."
Hey! Watch it, R183!
| by Anonymous | reply 188 | August 31, 2018 4:09 AM |
Dad worked in downtown when the Manson trial was going on so at lunch, he'd walk to the Hall of Justice to chat with the Manson Girls who weren't on trial who would hang around outside the courthouse.
They would chat about light polite subjects, but when the TV cameras showed up, they would start acting out and doing stuff like carving an x in their foreheads, or crawling across the street in the crosswalk
| by Anonymous | reply 189 | August 31, 2018 4:51 AM |
Your father should've run them over in a huge '68 Buick.
| by Anonymous | reply 191 | September 7, 2018 1:27 AM |
