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Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 145 | December 5, 2023 11:42 PM |
Marie Antoinette
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The successes of independent and feminist Marie Antoinette provoke jealousy and rivalry.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 1 | March 20, 2023 5:35 AM |
Does it have any Converse shoes?
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 2 | March 20, 2023 5:36 AM |
I love a good period piece, but the reviews for this are so tepid. I think I’ll pass.
| by Anonymous | reply 3 | March 20, 2023 9:29 AM |
Sadly is often is quite common today anyone seeking something remotely or even fairly historically accurate likely will be disappointed.
This latest installment on life of the doomed last Queen of France and Navarre is nearly bad as that than that Coppola film many years ago.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 4 | March 20, 2023 10:03 AM |
In keeping with wokeness of BBC telly dramas they've gone and snuck an black into cast just to cover those bases.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 5 | March 20, 2023 10:07 AM |
Marie Antoinette was a cruel, arrogant, entitled, self-absorbed Austrian, who when she heard French peasants had no bread, were starving, declared "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche". She was immensely unpopular. It's no coincidence that her monumental excesses heralded the French Revolution or that she was beheaded before cheering crowds. That the Beeb spins this as a sympathetic feminist tale illustrates just how deep it has sunk into the mindless historical revision quagmire.
| by Anonymous | reply 6 | March 20, 2023 10:16 AM |
And you are an idiot.
Marie-Antoinette never said "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 7 | March 20, 2023 10:27 AM |
Since you likely do not speak nor comprehend French:
"Historians have searched in vain for the origins of this quotation, but they have found no mention of it in any biography of Marie-Antoinette, nor in any archive of the Revolution. She was not even reproached to him during his trial, before going to the guillotine. The preferred hypothesis is that of a kind of popular legend, dating from before the arrival of Marie-Antoinette in France, telling the story of a princess who would have told the poor to eat brioche or even pate crusts.
The first written trace of this rumor is found in the Confessions of Jean-Jacques Rousseau. He writes, in Book VI: "I remembered the last resort of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread, and who replied: Let them eat brioche!" This book, published posthumously in 1782, was written in 1765, five years before Marie-Antoinette arrived in France.
The phrase has also been attributed to several people , before the wife of Louis XVI, only women, from Marie-Thérèse of Austria to Madame de Pompadour. Used as an insult each time, it aims to demonstrate their supposed cynicism or stupidity, demonstrates the historian Cécile Berly in her book La Reine scandaleuse ."
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 8 | March 20, 2023 10:29 AM |
I've seen it already. It was good. Very sumptuous and well-told. Some very good acting. A little bit of a slow start, but chugs along nicely until The End.
| by Anonymous | reply 9 | March 20, 2023 10:30 AM |
R7 R8 Everyone has an OPINION. Whether Marie Antoinette said it or not is not the issue. Her arrogance, excesses and the Beeb's mindless historical revision are.
[quote] Since you likely do not speak nor comprehend French:
R8 Such arrogant assumption. No surprise.
| by Anonymous | reply 10 | March 20, 2023 10:40 AM |
Wasn't the "Let them eat cake." remark rumoured among the servants, who variously spilled much info after the Fall?
Also, wasn't it meant to refer to the remnants left on the baking pans, rather than a slice of cake?
| by Anonymous | reply 11 | March 20, 2023 10:48 AM |
Marie Antionette was one of the most talented Queens ever.She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Pre-Revolutionary France. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.
| by Anonymous | reply 12 | March 20, 2023 10:55 AM |
[quote] At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.
Source, r12?
| by Anonymous | reply 13 | March 20, 2023 10:59 AM |
[quote] Despite that, she had a good heart,
R12 Such a good heart that she was beheaded while the masses cheered.
| by Anonymous | reply 14 | March 20, 2023 11:03 AM |
I'm tempted to watch this but I'm wondering if it could ever top Sofia Coppola's best movie.
| by Anonymous | reply 15 | March 20, 2023 11:07 AM |
She was a relative innocent at the Court when she arrived, but she was a silly woman who loved frippery and finery to the point that it even became notorious at a court which delat in frippery and finery. And before you say it, no, that was not because she was Austrian. That was because of things such as her spending all her time cosplaying little Bo-Peep at a lavish, faux-humble estate especially constructed for the purpose, while her people starved.
She literally did nothing to help anyone in her adopted country, when that was a major part of the Queen's role.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 16 | March 20, 2023 11:10 AM |
Nah, I'll just stick with the movie
| by Anonymous | reply 17 | March 20, 2023 11:11 AM |
[quote]She also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout her life. Despite that, she had a good heart, which is hard to encounter in Pre-Revolutionary France. At a time when gay people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with her struggles and she theirs.
A regular Judy Garland she was.
| by Anonymous | reply 18 | March 20, 2023 11:17 AM |
I read Antonia Fraser's bio of her years back, and from what I remember, she was a fairly dull young girl whose powerful mother sold her off into marriage with a very dull and unattractive King of France. The French monarchy was so decrepit and detached from its people that no queen consort was going to save it. The French hated her b/c 1) at the point they hated the monarchy completely, and 2) she was a foreigner and daughter of Empress Maria Theresa of Austria, often the enemy of France, and 3) she tried to insulate herself from a world crumbling around her by creating a sanitized mock-farm (the Petit Trianon) that included perfumed sheep. Think of how that went down with the starving masses.
| by Anonymous | reply 19 | March 20, 2023 11:32 AM |
Well, it had to be better than UN-perfumed sheep.
| by Anonymous | reply 20 | March 20, 2023 11:34 AM |
^ troo dat
The French also circulated rumors that she was lascivious, lustful and lesbianese, which however fun that might sound, were largely untrue.
| by Anonymous | reply 21 | March 20, 2023 11:43 AM |
She adopted lots of children. No idea what happened to them. Why wasn’t she escorted out of country with her children? Her brother would have taken her to Austria.
| by Anonymous | reply 22 | March 20, 2023 11:53 AM |
r22 If memory serves, one of them joined the Revolutionaries before she was imprisoned, one died on the streets after she was imprisoned and one disappeared entirely. Murdered, probably, by the revolutionaries.
| by Anonymous | reply 23 | March 20, 2023 11:58 AM |
To say nothing of what happened to the poor little Dauphin. Now THAT is a chilling tale.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 24 | March 20, 2023 12:03 PM |
"Why wasn’t she escorted out of country with her children? Her brother would have taken her to Austria.
Louis XVI, his queen and family had plenty of time to flee Versailles before rabble arrived. Lord knows many other members of the Bourbon family (including Mesdames Tantes) joined various persons from court and anyone else who could that were fleeing.
The king refused to flee his own country and wanted (asked, begged or whatever) for Marie-Antoinette to leave and take their children with her, but the queen refused to go. The rest as they say is history.
It is important to remember at first things weren't going that badly for Louis XVI and his family. There might still have yet been a chance to hash out some sort of constitutional monarchy for France, Two events changed that; the ill fated flight to Varennes of the royal family and subsequent discovery of various letters written by Louis XVI. After that it was all down hill.
Marie-Antoinette was basically killed because the murder of Louis XVI did not bring about results in populace Robespierre and others had sought. There was no real reason to murder a queen consort, even one supposedly hated much as Marie-Antoinette. In fact there were talks about exchanging the Austrian princess and her children for various French prisoners being held by Austria. That never happened obviously.
Marie-Antoinette had to die in order to bind the French people to the horrors of French Revolution. Irony was barely a year after the queen's murder people woke up, tired of the horrors and turned on the persons they felt were responsible; Robespierre and his associates who sent so many hundreds including the king and queen to the guillotine in end met the same fate.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 25 | March 20, 2023 1:42 PM |
Complete listing of those sent to the guillotine including Marie-Antoinette.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 26 | March 20, 2023 2:00 PM |
It was filmed at Versailles. I do not know what approach they are going to take yet? I am going to watch it.
I think most doc and dramas about Marie Antoinette and the French Royal Family do not factor in what was happening to the regular people. They are staving, being tortured and killed and even children are having their hands chopped off for taking bread.
I like the sets. I am not a fan of the rapid edits and the short scenes in the first episode. I love great dialogue scenes, so one hopes.
| by Anonymous | reply 27 | March 21, 2023 2:32 AM |
james purejoy is in it. I like this actor.
| by Anonymous | reply 28 | March 21, 2023 2:33 AM |
R27
No country in Europe was much better when it came to treatment of the poor, criminality (regardless of reasons behind), and so on.
In UK they hanged men, women and children for petty offences including theft. It only stopped because government realized it didn't deter crime much if at all. So a new scheme was hatched; transport for "X" number of years (and or life) to Australia or New Zealand.
Prisons were raided and convicts shipped off and this again included children. In particular British government was keen to send female of all ages (even little girls) to the colonies in aid of them breeding children.
| by Anonymous | reply 29 | March 21, 2023 3:16 AM |
I hope they cover the people and what was happening with them. I 'mnot sure they will? This aspect always falls out of this documentaries and dramas on Antionette and the french royal family.
I will watch this on Sunday. I am glad they got to film at Versailles.
| by Anonymous | reply 30 | March 21, 2023 4:36 AM |
Thanks for the heads up, op.
| by Anonymous | reply 31 | March 21, 2023 4:51 AM |
talk abut Performance Anxiety. That French Royal Family and Court was perverted to come up with that.
| by Anonymous | reply 32 | March 21, 2023 4:59 AM |
Imagine going through this every morning and perhaps few times again each day, then once again before finally getting into bed.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 33 | March 21, 2023 5:11 AM |
IIRC it was the highly sexed Louis XIV who would tire of waiting for various mistresses to be undressed so they could have fun. In meantime the king would pull a maid or another female returning when his mistress was finally undressed and changed into whatever she was going to wear to bed.
| by Anonymous | reply 34 | March 21, 2023 5:14 AM |
French have done far better films about Marie-Antoinette.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 35 | March 21, 2023 5:16 AM |
I liked the first episode and was surprised DuBarry had such a prominent role. In the Coppola and Shearer versions she's a minor player.
| by Anonymous | reply 36 | March 21, 2023 5:32 AM |
[quote] Marie Antoinette was a cruel, arrogant, entitled, self-absorbed Austrian, who when she heard French peasants had no bread, were starving, declared "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche".
This never happened.
| by Anonymous | reply 37 | March 21, 2023 5:50 AM |
R6 Marie adopted and sponsored peasant children. She was not cruel. You know nothing of history.
| by Anonymous | reply 39 | March 21, 2023 5:58 AM |
R39 Such a highly blinkered view of historical reality.
| by Anonymous | reply 40 | March 21, 2023 6:15 AM |
There has already been a thread started, dearie...
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 42 | March 21, 2023 2:12 PM |
Will it have gay male characters? If not then I don't care.
| by Anonymous | reply 44 | March 21, 2023 3:24 PM |
R44 Ypu should check out the Netflix series Versailles. Very good, lots of romps with everyone.
| by Anonymous | reply 45 | March 21, 2023 4:27 PM |
R14- There were people cheering everytime anyone was guillotined. When it was feared that Paris was about to be invaded, the prisons were emptied, and dozens of people awaiting trial (on suspicion of prostitution and being in debt, among other things) were swept up for their presumed moral impurity, along with accused enemies of the revolution, and guillotined. Revolutionary Paris wasn't exactly a font of rationality during the Terror.
R25 gets it.
| by Anonymous | reply 47 | March 21, 2023 4:38 PM |
R5- There were black and mixed race people at court in the 1780's. Do keep up.
| by Anonymous | reply 48 | March 21, 2023 4:40 PM |
Renewed for a second season. I just assumed this season covered everything including her execution.
| by Anonymous | reply 49 | March 21, 2023 10:10 PM |
Oh goody, a feminist Marie Antoinette. Well, thanks for all the solidarity and sisterhood.
But please get your ass up to the guillotine, you sad twat. I'll be down here knitting, cause I'm an old school kinda gal.
| by Anonymous | reply 50 | March 21, 2023 10:43 PM |
Madame Defarge cutta bitch.
She's one of the scariest females in literature.
| by Anonymous | reply 51 | March 21, 2023 10:45 PM |
The Tudors wasn't historically accurate but it was a lot of fun. I'll keep watching.
| by Anonymous | reply 53 | March 22, 2023 2:45 AM |
OK, not too great on French history, but the first episode showed a little girl who was only valued, by her mother and country, for the cunt she possessed in dropping the future King of France. Her marriage to the crown prince of France, showed him to be quite the asshole making his horrible life impact her horrible life.
And what were those gumballs during the shivaree?
| by Anonymous | reply 54 | March 22, 2023 3:04 AM |
it's good. I look forward to next Sunday.
| by Anonymous | reply 56 | March 22, 2023 3:13 AM |
What WERE those ball things they threw at them in bed??
| by Anonymous | reply 57 | March 22, 2023 3:14 AM |
Creators of the series are interviewed.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 58 | March 22, 2023 3:18 AM |
So Marie Antoinette was an "independent feminist"?
This script must have been written by Dr Eric Cervini or Donald Spoto.
| by Anonymous | reply 59 | March 22, 2023 3:18 AM |
R59 So far no signs of feminism in the first two episodes. Just a teenager trying to survive. It's a sympathetic portrayal and entertaining.
| by Anonymous | reply 60 | March 22, 2023 3:30 AM |
She was 14 when she arrived at Versailles with the whole court immediately waiting and watching for her to become pregnant. The actress playing her does not look 14, but I guess if they had an age appropriate actress playing that part it would be creepy, which it in fact was.
| by Anonymous | reply 61 | March 22, 2023 3:34 AM |
I would have slapped that cunt back.
| by Anonymous | reply 62 | March 22, 2023 4:44 AM |
r61, I thought it was creepy that the Empress had to verify that Marie started bleeding.
EWWWWWW.
MA was nothing but a cunt to them.
| by Anonymous | reply 63 | March 22, 2023 6:44 AM |
After the Kirsten Dunst film, did this really need to be made?
| by Anonymous | reply 64 | March 22, 2023 6:47 AM |
R63, pretty much all women were just cunts back then - particularly royal women. They had one function - have babies, especially male babies. They had no other purpose in life.
| by Anonymous | reply 65 | March 22, 2023 6:55 AM |
In her end was her beginning to paraphrase last words of Mary, Queen of Scots.
In murdering Marie-Antoinette Robespierre and French Revolution made the last Queen of France and Navarre a martyr and quite famous. As such no, that film starring Kirsten Dunst wasn't the last nor likely will be, as this latest treatment joins scores of plays, books, films, television programs and other media.
My favourite MA film starred DL fave Ute Lemper, in French film "L'autrichienne". Title loosely translated means "the Austrian bitch" and was one of many horrible insults hurled at or about Marie-Antoinette during her lifetime.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 66 | March 22, 2023 7:06 AM |
Historians do not agree with what happened with Marie Antoinette. This is the issue. There is NO approved one account of her story as a French Queen.
The series has already made choices between some of the controversial aspects of her life:
1.) her family married her off for the money and power/not her family was completely innocent. (though to what extent?)
2.) Marie did not want to leave her family or be in the French Court or be Queen.
The other issue is many historians believe that being at the French Court was highly desirable and coveted. Travelling between the courts was what royalty and nobility did. This was a thing. The French Court being the most exclusive, the most coveted. They made the choice to say that Marie did not want to go to court (leave her family at all) and did not want to be at the French Court. As Queen, she would have been high over the social aspects of the French Court. It is like going away to University and getting a party school. She would have wanted it. Though, this is the portrayal that many documentaries and dramas take, and I have no idea why.
I wonder what they are going to choose to do with her? It is interesting the choices they are making.
| by Anonymous | reply 67 | March 22, 2023 7:07 AM |
Bit of French media coverage of film "L'autrichienne.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 68 | March 22, 2023 7:09 AM |
Was Nicholas Cage in this?
| by Anonymous | reply 69 | March 22, 2023 7:14 AM |
[quote] There were black and mixed race people at court in the 1780's
As slaves and curiosities. It might help to remember that the city of Nantes played a main role in the slave trade. Slavery was abolished in 1794, re-introduced in 1802, and finally abolished in 1848.
| by Anonymous | reply 70 | March 22, 2023 7:23 AM |
Madame du Barry had a black slave named Zamor. He ultimately betrayed her to Revolutionary Tribunal resulting in Jeanne du Barry's arrest and subsequent execution.
As wont to happen revolutionary government then turned on Zamor who was arrested and detained. Managing to get out of that situation Zamor fled France only to return when Napoleon was dethroned.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 71 | March 22, 2023 7:45 AM |
French film "L'autrichienne". Title loosely translated means "the Austrian bitch"
It literally translate to "The Austrian woman". But autrichienne contains chienne which translate to bitch.
| by Anonymous | reply 72 | March 22, 2023 7:50 AM |
Zamor sounds rather uppity...
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 73 | March 22, 2023 7:51 AM |
The series was dreadfully dull and blandly boring. Hardly any nudity in it either.
PASS!
| by Anonymous | reply 74 | March 22, 2023 7:51 AM |
Another famous coloured person from French revolution period was the creole Thomas-Alexandre Dumas
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 75 | March 22, 2023 8:04 AM |
R75 he also the father of best selling author Alexandre Dumas - The three musketeers, The count of Monte Cristo, The man in the iron man and many others
| by Anonymous | reply 76 | March 22, 2023 8:13 AM |
While we're on the subject, French film "La Chienne" by director Jean Renoir was remade into American film "Scarlett Street" directed by Fritz Lang.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 77 | March 22, 2023 8:27 AM |
Not just as slaves and curiosities, though you are correct that that was one aspect. There were multiple illegitimate sons and daughters from the French colonies whose fathers were nobles, and brought them to France for an education and social advancement. France, like England, was nominally a "free soil" state, independent of slavery in the French colonies. Slaves were technically free as soon as they landed in France, though it depended on a slave challenging their master in court to enact it. It was a deterrent to slavery taking root in France proper, though.
| by Anonymous | reply 78 | March 22, 2023 12:36 PM |
[quote] There were multiple illegitimate sons and daughters from the French colonies whose fathers were nobles, and brought them to France for an education and social advancement.
Very few. Having a half-caste child was socially unacceptable. The few that did make their way in France were from powerful families.
| by Anonymous | reply 80 | March 22, 2023 12:50 PM |
Wasn't there a movie or series about a mulatto woman from the colonies sent to live in French court?
| by Anonymous | reply 82 | March 22, 2023 7:39 PM |
^^^nevermind I found it.
English court instead of French btw
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 83 | March 22, 2023 7:42 PM |
There’s a similar character in PBS’s Sanditon.
| by Anonymous | reply 84 | March 22, 2023 7:49 PM |
R80/R81- There are also very few black characters on the show. I was responding to a previous poster who was complaining about the one black actor (presumably playing Saint-Georges, who was Marie Antoinette's real-life music instructor) in the preview clip, not trying to established that pre-Revolutionary France was a multicultural melting pot. It was still majority white, and very intentionally so.
The reason slavery was nominally outlawed on French soil proper was to prevent black people from moving to France, not out of a humanitarian interest.
| by Anonymous | reply 85 | March 22, 2023 10:24 PM |
I watched the first season. It's not great but it's not the worst I've seen. Versailles is lovely, of course, and the costumes are gorgeous. It's not nearly as much fun as "Versailles" the three season show a few years ago.
James Purefoy as Louis the XV was enjoyable, I've always liked him (especially when he was young and super-hot). I missed his character when he died.
The show improves as it goes along but maybe not enough to entice anyone but the most die-hard period-costume fans.
| by Anonymous | reply 86 | March 23, 2023 11:28 PM |
Chevalier de Saint-Georges existed the same exact time as Marie Antoinette.
| by Anonymous | reply 87 | March 23, 2023 11:47 PM |
can you post the link to the "Versailles" one, [R86]?
| by Anonymous | reply 88 | March 24, 2023 7:35 AM |
can you post the link to the "Versailles" one, [R86]?
| by Anonymous | reply 89 | March 24, 2023 7:35 AM |
I'm aware that the Coppola version has it's dislikes but the balcony scene is just stunning. It reminds me of that moonlight shot from Kubrick's Barry Lyndon. Whatever the opinion of Marie at least she had the balls to face the mob unlike another coward who hid in a bunker during an insurrection.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 90 | March 27, 2023 4:54 AM |
It doesn't have blacks in historically acurate white roles so a big fat NO!
| by Anonymous | reply 91 | March 27, 2023 5:03 AM |
Coppola film had it's moments...
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 93 | March 27, 2023 5:10 AM |
Cruel .... You must be kidding.
🍰 She let everyone eat cake, but the did have to bring their own ice cream.
| by Anonymous | reply 94 | March 27, 2023 5:12 AM |
R48 Go and die, vile marxist.
| by Anonymous | reply 95 | March 27, 2023 5:13 AM |
Leave it to the marxists to excuse the vile torture and murder of a dumb broad and her innocent small children.
| by Anonymous | reply 96 | March 27, 2023 5:14 AM |
R85 Please do the world a favor and suicide, lying scum.
| by Anonymous | reply 97 | March 27, 2023 5:15 AM |
Can the lying marxists in this thread pretending there were black folks in France kill themselves now please? We don't care about you.
| by Anonymous | reply 98 | March 27, 2023 5:17 AM |
R67 No one wants to go to France because the French sucks. Wtf are you on about?
| by Anonymous | reply 99 | March 27, 2023 5:20 AM |
2nd episode is good. I rewatch it later in the week.
| by Anonymous | reply 101 | March 27, 2023 6:38 AM |
Second episode was great. The actress who plays Marie is doing a fantastic job so far.
| by Anonymous | reply 102 | March 27, 2023 3:38 PM |
Went in with low expectations and I'm kinda enjoying it.
| by Anonymous | reply 103 | March 27, 2023 4:08 PM |
Well episode 4 was the best yet. I even felt a little sorry for DuBarry. I'm almost tempted to buy the DVDs so I can binge the rest.
| by Anonymous | reply 104 | April 10, 2023 1:25 PM |
If you want a good take on Marie Antoinette, read "Queen of Fashion: What Marie Antoinette Wore to the Revolution" by Caroline Weber
| by Anonymous | reply 105 | April 10, 2023 3:07 PM |
You can see some of Queen Marie-Antoinette's jewels that were auctioned off recently in following link.
Scroll down to near end of catalog.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 106 | April 10, 2023 3:15 PM |
Thank you Bonnie Prince. Just bought the Kindle version.
| by Anonymous | reply 107 | April 10, 2023 3:31 PM |
it's good. Slow burn. I like purejoy though and now he is gone.
| by Anonymous | reply 108 | April 10, 2023 9:35 PM |
Marie-Antoinette out-arroganted the French ? WOW she must have been quite a cunt
| by Anonymous | reply 109 | April 10, 2023 9:42 PM |
It’s interesting that only after she was killed and stripped was it revealed she had nasty little wings, TWO tails, and a pair of frog legs/feet.
I wonder if the series will go into this.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 110 | April 18, 2023 7:20 PM |
Louis will be showing his lovely ass in Sunday’s episode, assuming it’s not censored by PBS.
| by Anonymous | reply 111 | April 18, 2023 7:28 PM |
They blurred the porn cards.
| by Anonymous | reply 112 | April 18, 2023 8:23 PM |
Censored porn cards AND ass on PBS. The actor playing Marie's brother was HOT!
| by Anonymous | reply 113 | April 24, 2023 2:24 PM |
I just tried to watch it but the actress just seems so bland and unrealistically pretty. I wish they had got a more interesting and better actress.
| by Anonymous | reply 114 | April 24, 2023 2:28 PM |
R114. The first episode is meh and so is she. Stick with it. Both she and the show get much better.
| by Anonymous | reply 115 | April 24, 2023 2:31 PM |
R115 Thanks for the tip, I think I will.
| by Anonymous | reply 116 | April 24, 2023 2:39 PM |
Who is the lunatic screeching about Marxists? Is that Attmay?
| by Anonymous | reply 117 | April 24, 2023 2:43 PM |
King Louis XVI presents hole.
| by Anonymous | reply 119 | April 24, 2023 5:51 PM |
I’m going to stick with this series, goddamn it.
I wonder if they’ll make the grown Louis fat and physically repulsive, tho. Wasn’t he a really non-charismatic porker? In the first episode he’s just cute and shy/stunted.
| by Anonymous | reply 120 | April 24, 2023 6:30 PM |
The latest episode (with Marie's brother) was a bit over the top.
Were they really that close to divorce, though?
| by Anonymous | reply 121 | April 25, 2023 4:10 PM |
No. No French king divorced and they were Catholic. Henry VIII over in the UK had to found the Church of England to divorce because the Catholic church would not allow it - but there's no historical record that the French were even considering that.
It's just stupid 'artistic license' to appeal to a modern audience with modern values.
| by Anonymous | reply 122 | April 25, 2023 6:26 PM |
Divorce was unlikely, but the marriage could have been annulled. Taking so long to produce children definitely put Marie Antoinette in a precarious position. Blame was always put on the wife.
| by Anonymous | reply 123 | April 25, 2023 7:46 PM |
They did mention the Pope himself suggested an annulment, but why did everyone keep calling it a divorce?
| by Anonymous | reply 124 | April 25, 2023 7:50 PM |
[quote] "Marie Antoinette was a cruel, arrogant, entitled, self-absorbed Austrian, who when she heard French peasants had no bread, were starving, declared "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche". She was immensely unpopular. It's no coincidence that her monumental excesses heralded the French Revolution or that she was beheaded before cheering crowds. That the Beeb spins this as a sympathetic feminist tale illustrates just how deep it has sunk into the mindless historical revision quagmire."
R6 = Madame Du Barry
| by Anonymous | reply 126 | April 25, 2023 10:02 PM |
It's invented history and nonsense r124. I wouldn't take anything seriously that the 20-something "influencers" who obviously wrote this series imagined as happening. You can still have fun watching it, but there is pretty much nothing going on in this series that will have any real connection to the actual life of Marie Antoinette.
| by Anonymous | reply 127 | April 27, 2023 2:40 AM |
R127 The person who wrote it is definitely not a 20-something. Looks like they're in their 50s or 60s.
| by Anonymous | reply 128 | April 27, 2023 2:46 AM |
Seriously r128? Somebody over 25 is writing this dingbat grrrl power bullshit. Oh shit, that makes it so much sadder.
| by Anonymous | reply 129 | April 27, 2023 2:51 AM |
Terrific season finale. Looking forward to season 2 but I do hope they wrap things up and don't drag it out for a third season.
| by Anonymous | reply 130 | May 8, 2023 3:59 AM |
Yeah, get to head-chopping-off part stat!
| by Anonymous | reply 131 | May 8, 2023 8:38 AM |
If you do not have cable r133, you can subscribe to PBS Masterpiece on Amazon.
| by Anonymous | reply 134 | May 8, 2023 11:17 AM |
Or OTA antenna, broadcast.
| by Anonymous | reply 135 | May 8, 2023 11:47 AM |
She was the Meghan Markle of her day.
| by Anonymous | reply 136 | May 8, 2023 3:25 PM |
[quote]The man in the iron man
Can't wait for that one, R75
| by Anonymous | reply 137 | May 8, 2023 3:26 PM |
[quote] Louis XVI, his queen and family had plenty of time to flee Versailles before rabble arrived. Lord knows many other members of the Bourbon family (including Mesdames Tantes) joined various persons from court and anyone else who could that were fleeing.
Medames Adélaïde and Victoria left in February 1791. They were arrested before leaving the country. In the end the National Assembly agreed to let them go (to Rome). I doubt they would have let Marie Antoinette go at that time. However, Madame Elisabeth could have saved herself but she decided to stay with her brother.
The Comte of Artois (brother of the King) left in July 1789. At that time you could have departed without much risk. Everybody who went in that first wave of emigration got out. Various Princes of Blood such as Conde and Conti left at that time too. Same for the Polignac clan.
The Comte of Provence (the other brother of king) and the Comtesse of Provence left on the same night of the Varennes flight.
In 1797, there were only 3 Bourbons left in France. The Directoire decided to exile them: Bathilde d'Orléans (sister of the Philippe Egalité, ex wife of the Duke of Bourbon), Louise Marie Adélaïde de Bourbon (widower of Philippe Egalité) and Louis François Joseph, Prince of Conti.
| by Anonymous | reply 138 | May 9, 2023 9:59 PM |
^ That's... Mama's.... Baby! Doin just like I taught 'im!
| by Anonymous | reply 140 | May 9, 2023 10:45 PM |
was this the last episode?
| by Anonymous | reply 141 | May 11, 2023 7:21 AM |
There had long been a history of infighting between Bourbon kings of France and Navarre and various princes of blood royal. But Philippe Égalité goes down in history as a special case of his own.
As a regicide Louis Philippe Joseph , Duke of Orleans name is one of execration to many. OTOH the prince was a man of enlightened ideals and principals who may have been the one (had he become king) to put France on path to becoming a constitutional monarchy .
Proving no good deed goes unpunished after voting for death of his kinsman, Louis XVI, the revolution soon turned on the Duke of Orleans and he in turn followed the late king to the guillotine.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 142 | May 11, 2023 8:09 AM |
Years ago there was a great French play called "Je m’appelle Marie Antoinette". Based upon the trail of Queen Marie Antoinette audience of each performance voted for final fate of the last Queen of France and Navarre.
Offsite Link| by Anonymous | reply 143 | May 11, 2023 9:42 AM |
This thing REALLY plays fast and loose with history.
| by Anonymous | reply 144 | December 5, 2023 11:03 PM |
The show looks like that stupid, ill-considered Victoria series. I watched five minutes of that and the ahistorical howlers left me speechless … with rage!
| by Anonymous | reply 145 | December 5, 2023 11:42 PM |
